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a 2 year old poll?
Latest poll out there from Military Times. You have a later Military Poll?
a 2 year old poll?
I am still waiting for you or anyone else here that isn't in the mlitary to explain why this issue is so important to you. Seems that the military disagrees with you.
Military Times Poll: Troops Oppose Gay Agenda for the Military - Elaine Donnelly - The Tank on National Review Online
No, admitedly, I'm not aware of any studies in that area. I just don't think you can completely dismiss the possibility.Not likely. First of all, why would they join only when they could be openly gay. They would still be taking a chance of getting the crap beat out of them and/or being killed because someone was not happy about being hit on. How many guys do you think will volunteer for sub duty after they put women on board, just to be able to live in those close quarters with women. Very few, if any, would be my guess.
You are basing your arguments on what might happen, not what is most likely to happen. Poor way to debate. Do you have any evidence that there are that many gay men or women that would join the military just because they could live more closely with people that they might be attracted to?
Well hell, if this is the standard, I definitely have areas where my tax money should earn me a say.America isn't a democracy. We are a representative republic. And if our tax dollars are going to the military, we have a opinion on things like this.
Latest poll out there from Military Times. You have a later Military Poll?
First of all, that's from last year. The study that was done, that only included those actually in the military, and not those who may have once been in the military, as military times does, or their families showed that the numbers of those who are okay with DADT being repealed are much higher than the results of that poll.
Also, if someone is that uncomfortable with living with openly gay servicemembers, eventhough they have mostly likely been living with closeted gay servicemembers their entire time in, then they should get out. The military should not be encouraging intolerance, and if that means getting rid of those who would are intolerant of someone because of their sexuality, then they shouldn't be in the military. They can be replaced. There are plenty of people that are lining up to fill in most positions in the military, and it is highly unlikely that those who are saying that they would get out just because they would have to live with openly gay individuals are in those fields that are highly undermanned, since it has been my experience that those people in those fields have much more important things to be concerned with than other people's sexuality.
Well hell, if this is the standard, I definitely have areas where my tax money should earn me a say.
No, admitedly, I'm not aware of any studies in that area. I just don't think you can completely dismiss the possibility.
Let me ask you this, why are openly gay inmates separated from the general population in prison? I don't mean to compare anyone with convicts, I'm just using it as example.
Public opinion pollsters use random selection to survey the general public, whereas the Military Times survey is based on responses from readers who chose to take part. Statistical margins of error commonly reported in opinion surveys cannot be calculated for this survey because those calculations depend on random sampling.
More information on the Military Times poll: it starts with questions about sexual harassment by gays, then goes and asks opinions on repealing DADT. That is what is known as a flawed methodology. Self selected from a narrow pool of respondents with a flawed methodology. Not worth much.
It really doesn't matter when the poll was taken or even if it was taken, DADT was put into place by Clinton in 1993 and has to be repealed by Congress. I am not in the military but was in the military, military personnel are some of the best people I have ever met and have the greatest respect for all military personnel. They will adapt if that happens but until the Congress repeals it debate on the matter is really irrelevant. I don't think it is going to happen but the passion for the issue really fascinates me especially coming from people here who aren't serving. I respect your position and you certainly have a right to that opinion but it isn't an issue that deserves this much debate. it is what it is until repealed. 36 pages on this topic? I believe the comments in the Military Times poll is accurate, there are a lot of radicals trying to force their agenda on the military and that needs to be taken into consideration.
This entire debate isn't worth much but it continues. DADT has to be repealed by Congress and right now that doesn't look likely. So much passion on the part of radicals just like with most other issues including economics. How does this affect the people here. No problem with an opinion but in the end it is up to the Congress and our military. The passion here is fascinating. My bet is this issue doesn't affect one person here. Our military isn't goingto implode regardless of the outcome.
What undermanned jobs are there that a gay recruit can do better than a straight?
The point is that the majority in this country don't believe that this issue is serious enough to warrant a lot of concern. Only a small vocal minority are fighting for this issue and the question is why?
If you remove DADT, isn't it possible more openly guy guys will join just to be able to live in close to close proximity to a lot of other men? In that case, incidents like I described could become more common. I don't know, just throwing the possibility out there.
There is debate on it because it is an important issue to many people, on both sides.
And there are radicals on both sides of the issue trying to push their agendas in. This issue is not being pushed by just the radicals however, there are a lot of people like me who just want what is fair. I wouldn't protest the actual military about this, nor would I do anything illegal or stupid for this cause. But I will argue with people all day that DADT is discrimination, intolerance, and unfair. I hate unfairness, plain and simple.
In other words, pay no attention to those troops.There is a serious flaw with the poll. The respondents where self selected from among those who read the Military Times. Just thought you might like to know. It's not a scientific poll.
No, admitedly, I'm not aware of any studies in that area. I just don't think you can completely dismiss the possibility.
Let me ask you this, why are openly gay inmates separated from the general population in prison? I don't mean to compare anyone with convicts, I'm just using it as example.
Over 60 % of Americans are radicals now? Most of Congress and the military support repeal, and yet it isn't happening. Fascinating that...
The military isn't going to implode regardless of the outcome so the passion on both sides IMO is ridiculous. What agenda are the radicals on the right pushing, the law is the law and it has worked for 17 years, why change it. rogue, this has been in place since 1993 so obviously it hasn't hurt anyone so why now?
It has been the law since 1993 so tell me why now there is such passion for repeal? Radical passion is indeed fascinating as there is no personal benefit or harm on either side for most of those with that passion.
Tell that to the people who have been discharged from the military because of this law.
Tell that to the people who have been discharged from the military because of this law.
The military isn't going to implode regardless of the outcome so the passion on both sides IMO is ridiculous. What agenda are the radicals on the right pushing, the law is the law and it has worked for 17 years, why change it. rogue, this has been in place since 1993 so obviously it hasn't hurt anyone so why now?