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'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

can you provide a link that verifies your claim that the "base" is made up of blacks, latinos, and poor white trash, as the majority? thanks.

Considering that most of those that identify as Democrats want to see DADT repealed, even more than Republicans, I don't see how he can actually believe what he posted.

Poll: Two out of three say repeal don’t ask, don’t tell – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

According to the Gallup poll, more than eight out of ten Democrats and seven out of ten independent voters support repealing the measure, with Republicans split on the issue.
 
he been "crap", as are most democrats when you ask them off mic. KNow why? Coz their "base" are mostly black and latino, or poor white trash, and if you don't have that vote, you, the Democracts would never EVER get elected. Black, latino's, and poor white trash, as much as they love the democrats, they sure as heck aren't all warm and fuzzy about homosexuals. That's why sunshine.. :)


Tim-

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When a super-majority of Americans, a majority of Conservatives, half the Republicans, close to all of the Democrats, and 70% of Independents support repealing some legislation, there's absolutely no excuse for a Democratic President who has the House, Senate and Administration.

This was especially interesting:

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Obama's legislative agenda, both in what he advocates, and what the Democrats support, leaves MUCH to be desired from the American people, let alone his own damn base that elected him.

I know a lot of Obama supporters. About 50% of them say they're voting independent in 2012.

If I were the President or a Democratic Congressman I honestly don't think I could orchestrate a more effective plan to lose me the reelection/my seat than what Obama and the Democrats are doing, not just on Don't Ask Don't Tell, but on their entire legislative agenda.
 
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Discrimination, hatred and bigotry have been around for a long time in one form or another. However, any freedom loving America will NEVER just "get used to it".

Don't you ever get tired of being so rhetorical? :) I mean, you folks have used this rhetoric for so long now that it really, (and I mean this sincerely) means nothing anymore. You're not scaring anyone DisneyDude. You're the victim of a very bad joke... :)


Tim-
 
Trust me...I won't. I will never sit back and allow the bigots of the world to preach their hatred without speaking out.



where were you when Obama said we white folks were typically racist?

Where were you when Biden suggested that obama was articulate for a black man?

Where were you when Obama stated marriage is between a man and a woman?

Where were you when Obama stated his support for DOMA?
 
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First of all the military isn't a democracy. If you don't like the policy then you have the right to drop out of the military at the end of your term. Seems you want the benefits the military offers but not accept the laws military leaders and Congress have enacted.

That's kind of a dumb thing to say. I can stay in with no problems, since I'm not gay. I don't have to hide anything about myself.

And I am completely within military regulations to disagree and even fight against in a legal way rules of the military that I consider to be discriminatory.

Along with that, you said it yourself, the military is not a democracy, so why is it that the major opponent of DADT repeal is insisting that we ask the troops what they want?
 
Because DADT is a military issue, not a civilian issue. Whether or not it is repealed doesn't affect anyone outside the military. LGBT which represents a very small percentage of the population are going to have to live with it if they want to enlist.
We have civilian control of the military, and DADT is an issue that affects civilians' ability to enlist, which in turn affects the military.

It's a civilian issue, because there is no separation between military and civilian issues. The military is not a democracy, but America is, and America controls its military.
 
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When a super-majority of Americans, half the Republicans, close to all of the Democrats, and 70% of Independents support repealing some legislation, there's absolutely no excuse for a Democratic President who has the House, Senate and Administration.

This was especially interesting:

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Obama's legislative agenda, both in what he advocates, and what the Democrats support, leaves MUCH to be desired from the American people, let alone his own damn base that elected him.

I know a lot of Obama supporters. About 50% of them say they're voting independent in 2012.

If I were the President or a Democratic Congressman I honestly don't think I could orchestrate a more effective plan to lose me the reelection/my seat than what Obama and the Democrats are doing, not just on Don't Ask Don't Tell, but on their entire legislative agenda.

Yeah, well that's all well and good ya know, problem is that whenever the question of homosexuality has been put on the ballot, ya know, that's where everyone that has an opinion votes, then the issue of homosexuality has lost.. Lost... Lost! They lose, because those that vote for democrats, 95% black, 80% Latino, and what 80% White trash all happen to have some modicum of family values instilled in them. Enough so, that they'll vote for more welfare, but against the homosexuals everytime. :)


Tim-
 
Trust me...I won't. I will never sit back and allow the bigots of the world to preach their hatred without speaking out.
And I'll never sit back and let the socialist elites force their moral diversity on an all volunteer military without speaking out about it. I think you need more God in your life.
 
Considering that most of those that identify as Democrats want to see DADT repealed, even more than Republicans, I don't see how he can actually believe what he posted.

Poll: Two out of three say repeal don’t ask, don’t tell – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Yeah, sure they do. Now ask yourself what "type" of person takes the time to answer a political survey? There's your answer to why my cliam is valid, and demonstratbly true based on the actual voting habits of the democratic base.

Next..


Tim-
 
And I'll never sit back and let the socialist elites force their moral diversity on an all volunteer military without speaking out about it. I think you need more God in your life.

Who are you to judge how much God is in anyone else's life? Just because they don't believe what you do?
 
That's kind of a dumb thing to say. I can stay in with no problems, since I'm not gay. I don't have to hide anything about myself.

And I am completely within military regulations to disagree and even fight against in a legal way rules of the military that I consider to be discriminatory.

Along with that, you said it yourself, the military is not a democracy, so why is it that the major opponent of DADT repeal is insisting that we ask the troops what they want?

Good point, there is no reason to ask anyone in the military what they think
 
Yeah, well that's all well and good ya know, problem is that whenever the question of homosexuality has been put on the ballot, ya know, that's where everyone that has an opinion votes, then the issue of homosexuality has lost.. Lost... Lost! They lose, because those that vote for democrats, 95% black, 80% Latino, and what 80% White trash all happen to have some modicum of family values instilled in them. Enough so, that they'll vote for more welfare, but against the homosexuals everytime. :)


Tim-

he writes "against the homosexuals" and then a smiley.

Seriously. What is WRONG with these people?

And I'll never sit back and let the socialist elites force their moral diversity on an all volunteer military without speaking out about it. I think you need more God in your life.

Freedom is "moral diversity." You heard it here.
 
Yeah, sure they do. Now ask yourself what "type" of person takes the time to answer a political survey? There's your answer to why my cliam is valid, and demonstratbly true based on the actual voting habits of the democratic base.

Next..


Tim-

Most people do not care if the military allows gays to serve openly. It generally doesn't affect those people. The specific issue of DADT repeal has never been made an actual ballot issue, so you cannot say that the public votes against it. Gay marriage is not the same issue as DADT. They both discriminate, wrongly, against gays, but many more people are for the repeal of DADT than those who are for allowing gay marriage.
 
We have civilian control of the military, and DADT is an issue that affects civilians' ability to enlist, which in turn affects the military.

It's a civilian issue, because there is no separation between military and civilian issues. The military is not a democracy, but America is, and America controls its military.

So the military is not meeting its recruiting requirements? Cite your source. DADT is being debated by the civilians and military leadership and isn't going to get repealed. Don't enlist. LBBT is a very, very small percentage in this country so doubt it impacts the military recruiting at all.
 
he writes "against the homosexuals" and then a smiley.

Seriously. What is WRONG with these people?



Freedom is "moral diversity." You heard it here.

What's wrong with you people? Warning another smiley coming.. see>>> :)


Tim-
 
So the military is not meeting its recruiting requirements? Cite your source. DADT is being debated by the civilians and military leadership and isn't going to get repealed. Don't enlist. LBBT is a very, very small percentage in this country so doubt it impacts the military recruiting at all.
I didn't say that. Please don't pretend that I did. My point was that we dictate to the military who can and cannot enlist. It is not in any sense a military affair to decide on.

As for the non-bolded: I hate asking what your point is, but you seem to say things that aren't really relevant to whether or not DADT is a justified policy.
 
Good point, there is no reason to ask anyone in the military what they think

Sure there is, to find out where problems with repeal might come from and deal with them before they become major issues. The military members however should not be the only ones deciding whether or not certain people should be allowed to serve with them or to what extent they should be allowed to serve, no more than military members should be asked if they want to go to war or if they want to go out on a mission. They can give input on ways to improve safety and/or success of the mission, but they should do so based on their own experience and knowledge, not biases and fears.
 
Most people do not care if the military allows gays to serve openly. It generally doesn't affect those people. The specific issue of DADT repeal has never been made an actual ballot issue, so you cannot say that the public votes against it. Gay marriage is not the same issue as DADT. They both discriminate, wrongly, against gays, but many more people are for the repeal of DADT than those who are for allowing gay marriage.

Yes, this I know.. I am one of those that favors repeal, but my point was to illustrate that Obama and the democrats are political cowards. They're not so sure about what pushing any gay agenda will mean to them at the ballot box, and they also know that the ballot box contains a lot of those black/latino, and white trash votes. Those folks don't generally answer surveys.. :)


Tim-
 
So the military is not meeting its recruiting requirements? Cite your source. DADT is being debated by the civilians and military leadership and isn't going to get repealed. Don't enlist. LBBT is a very, very small percentage in this country so doubt it impacts the military recruiting at all.

DADT does impact recruitment and retention in certain, undermanned units/jobs. Those people who are put out due to DADT in those undermanned jobs are hard to replace, especially if the person was a good worker. And it is a waste of money to have to recruit and train new people to replace those discharged because of a discriminatory policy.
 
Yeah, well that's all well and good ya know, problem is that whenever the question of homosexuality has been put on the ballot, ya know, that's where everyone that has an opinion votes, then the issue of homosexuality has lost.. Lost... Lost! They lose, because those that vote for democrats, 95% black, 80% Latino, and what 80% White trash all happen to have some modicum of family values instilled in them. Enough so, that they'll vote for more welfare, but against the homosexuals everytime. :)


Tim-

Are you ABSOLUTELY INSANE?

Firstly, what do you mean when you say "white trash", and how do you track this statistic?

Secondly. The public opinion polls absolutely couldn't be clearer. Out of Democrats, Liberals, east, postgraduates, those who seldom attend church, moderates, those 18 to 29 years in age, those with some college, independents, women, midwesterners, those 30 to 49 years in age, west, college graduates, those 50 to 64 years in age, those who attend church nearly weekly, men, those over 65 years of age, those with a high school education or less, those who attend church weekly, the south, conservatives, and Republicans....

Only ONE of those demographics doesn't have a majority in favor of repeal (Republicans). Only 6 (from 65+ years down) don't have a super-majority in favor. This might just be the clearest poll I've ever seen in my life (although I'm sure I could find others).

The next time you whine about the American people not supporting something I'm linking this thread. You're also getting my vote for the next asshat of the year (sorry adpst). How anyone can POSSIBLY claim the American people wouldn't support this in a vote is entirely beyond me.

I've officially lost hope in humanity. I'm going to sit under a cold shower for a while.
 
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I didn't say that. Please don't pretend that I did. My point was that we dictate to the military who can and cannot enlist. It is not in any sense a military affair to decide on.

As for the non-bolded: I hate asking what your point is, but you seem to say things that aren't really relevant to whether or not DADT is a justified policy.

then I suggest that you go back and look at what you posted. How is having DADT hurting the military?
 
Yes, this I know.. I am one of those that favors repeal, but my point was to illustrate that Obama and the democrats are political cowards. They're not so sure about what pushing any gay agenda will mean to them at the ballot box, and they also know that the ballot box contains a lot of those black/latino, and white trash votes. Those folks don't generally answer surveys.. :)


Tim-

Prove that they don't answer surveys.

And almost every one of the Dems voted for the repeal, and it is very possible that the one who didn't vote for the bill that the repeal was in, would vote for a standalone repeal bill. So it is not truthful to say that Dems aren't voting for this.

Obama is not a good president. I have no respect for him, but I also didn't vote for him. But it is not like McCain would have done anything for this cause at all. He is one of the major opponents to it and he has done just as much against DADT repeal as Obama has, probably more.
 
DADT does impact recruitment and retention in certain, undermanned units/jobs. Those people who are put out due to DADT in those undermanned jobs are hard to replace, especially if the person was a good worker. And it is a waste of money to have to recruit and train new people to replace those discharged because of a discriminatory policy.

Sounds a lot like the private business where I assure you that no one is irreplaceable. How long has DADT been in place? Anyone that joins the military does so as a personal choice and isn't forced into service. Calling it discriminatory is certainly an opinion, I call it living by the rules established.
 
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