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'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

And we are working to make life more fair by trying to get DADT repealed.
It's already fair. If you want to engage in behavior that is against the military code of conduct, leave the military. Have as much "fair" as you want.
 
In one week...the Republican party has reassured us all where they stand on the issues. They are the party that is willing to hold the middle class/working class hostage for the benefit of the rich and they are willing to continue to use the military to forward their anti-gay agenda.

tell it to obama

President Obama: Tax cut compromise is right thing to do - The Hill's Congress Blog

Justice department appeals judge’s ‘don’t-ask-don’t-tell’ ruling – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

do you remember june of 09 when holder's doj in district compared gay marriage to incest and sex with 16 year olds?

White House Defends Anti-Gay Marriage Brief Amid Furor

Paul Hogarth: Obama's DOMA Defense Unacceptable
 
It's already fair. If you want to engage in behavior that is against the military code of conduct, leave the military. Have as much "fair" as you want.

It's not fair. Gay servicemembers cannot do what I can do. They cannot tell everyone else in their command what gender of people they like or give details about their personal relationships that may reveal the gender of their significant other. I can. They cannot even put it on their social networking page that they are interested in the same sex, while I would be perfectly allowed to do so without any repercussions. They cannot get married and have that marriage recognized by every state in the union and the federal government, including the military, while I can. They could not live in the same housing that I now live in just because the federal government does not believe that their relationship is good enough, even if they are willing to make the commitment that I have made to my husband. These things are not fair, whether you see it or not.
 
That's fine. Until it's removed as a military rule to be followed, DADT should stay just where it is. Progressive always use the civil rights movement as their poster boy for shoving their morals up everyone elses noses. This has nothing to do with the civil rights movement, this has to do with a volunteer military. If it eventually changes, fine. Until then, don't ask and don't tell is just peachy with me.

Same thing that the bigots said during the civil rights movement. It absolutely is the same thing. Discrimination, hatred and bigotry are discrimination, hatred and bigotry be it in one form or another. The ones trying to shove their morals up everyone else's nose are the same ones that are sticking their noses into other people's lives where they don't belong.
If people would just be content about living their own lives and focusing on their own "morality"....then the values and principles that America stands for would finally be in place.
 
I agree, Obama has been crap regarding LGBT issues, but it's not like the other guy in the race, McCain is any better. He is worse, he is leading the charge for DADT.

he been "crap", as are most democrats when you ask them off mic. KNow why? Coz their "base" are mostly black and latino, or poor white trash, and if you don't have that vote, you, the Democracts would never EVER get elected. Black, latino's, and poor white trash, as much as they love the democrats, they sure as heck aren't all warm and fuzzy about homosexuals. That's why sunshine.. :)


Tim-
 
Why do you keep bringing this up? It's not an argument for or against anything. It doesn't refute anyone's position on anything. Why are you obsessed with whether or not people are enlisting?

Because this issue doesn't affect anyone that isn't enlisting. DADT doesn't affect you or anyone else outside the military.
 
When Ockham says that life isn't fair, what he means to say is that "this particular law is unfair, but let's keep it anyway becomes I think it's gross that gay men stick their wingwangs in their bumskies."

Whether it is fair or not, it is the law in an ALL VOLUNTEER MILITARY. You don't like the law and are gay then don't enlist.
 
Same thing that the bigots said during the civil rights movement. It absolutely is the same thing. Discrimination, hatred and bigotry are discrimination, hatred and bigotry be it in one form or another. The ones trying to shove their morals up everyone else's nose are the same ones that are sticking their noses into other people's lives where they don't belong.
If people would just be content about living their own lives and focusing on their own "morality"....then the values and principles that America stands for would finally be in place.

And it's still going to be around for quite a while. Get used to the voluntary "discrimination".
 
Be real, would you really ever take the word of a straight soldier over that of a gay one or would you more likely believe the straight soldier is just making up the harassment charge? Be honest, you all would rally around the gay soldier and call anyone who believed the straight soldier homophobic.

Personally, I don't see where orientation has anything to do with believability.

Or really much of anything else other than who a person sleeps with.
 
Because this issue doesn't affect anyone that isn't enlisting. DADT doesn't affect you or anyone else outside the military.

I am enlisted and straight. It affects me because I know how many good workers we've lost to DADT and even one is too many people to lose because of a discriminatory policy that promotes intolerance.
 
Always disturbs me how these issues are settled by a bunch of people who wouldn't join the military under any circumstances.

It's like having felons write criminal law.

A fairly significant percentage of those in the Senate are veterans. Most of those veterans are democrats. Your point is?
 
Whether it is fair or not, it is the law in an ALL VOLUNTEER MILITARY. You don't like the law and are gay then don't enlist.
What is this intended to argue for or refute?
Because this issue doesn't affect anyone that isn't enlisting. DADT doesn't affect you or anyone else outside the military.
Again, what is your point?
 
he been "crap", as are most democrats when you ask them off mic. KNow why? Coz their "base" are mostly black and latino, or poor white trash, and if you don't have that vote, you, the Democracts would never EVER get elected. Black, latino's, and poor white trash, as much as they love the democrats, they sure as heck aren't all warm and fuzzy about homosexuals. That's why sunshine.. :)


Tim-

can you provide a link that verifies your claim that the "base" is made up of blacks, latinos, and poor white trash, as the majority? thanks.
 
What makes the military great is the discipline that is instilled in all who have volunteered to serve. Discipline comes from rules which seem to not have a place in society today. DADT is a rule in place, you don't like the rule, don't enlist.

Maybe this is going over your head, but the effort is to change the rule, not violate it.
 
I am enlisted and straight. It affects me because I know how many good workers we've lost to DADT and even one is too many people to lose because of a discriminatory policy that promotes intolerance.

First of all the military isn't a democracy. If you don't like the policy then you have the right to drop out of the military at the end of your term. Seems you want the benefits the military offers but not accept the laws military leaders and Congress have enacted.
 
This is Obama once again voting "present" he has a pen, he can do an EO. Why won't he take a stand?

For the same reason he has given all along, and you have had explained to you multiple times. Obama believes the change should come from the congress, which is where, properly, laws should be made and changed.
 
What is this intended to argue for or refute?

Again, what is your point?

I believe you know my point, just don't want to admit it. DADT is the rule of the military, you don't like the rule then don't enlist. This is an all volunteer military, so if it were a draft you would have an issue but not due to the fact that no one is forcing you to enlist.
 
I believe you know my point, just don't want to admit it. DADT is the rule of the military, you don't like the rule then don't enlist. This is an all volunteer military, so if it were a draft you would have an issue but not due to the fact that no one is forcing you to enlist.
Do I have to keep asking, or are you going to tell me how this is an argument for the maintanence of DADT?
 
And it's still going to be around for quite a while. Get used to the voluntary "discrimination".

Discrimination, hatred and bigotry have been around for a long time in one form or another. However, any freedom loving America will NEVER just "get used to it".
 
First of all the military isn't a democracy. If you don't like the policy then you have the right to drop out of the military at the end of your term. Seems you want the benefits the military offers but not accept the laws military leaders and Congress have enacted.

however, the military FIGHTS for democracy. kinda ironic, yes?
 
Do I have to keep asking, or are you going to tell me how this is an argument for the maintanence of DADT?

Because DADT is a military issue, not a civilian issue. Whether or not it is repealed doesn't affect anyone outside the military. LGBT which represents a very small percentage of the population are going to have to live with it if they want to enlist.
 
Discrimination, hatred and bigotry have been around for a long time in one form or another. However, any freedom loving America will NEVER just "get used to it".

Ok then don't... no skin off my nose. :shrug:
 
can you provide a link that verifies your claim that the "base" is made up of blacks, latinos, and poor white trash, as the majority? thanks.


Hehe.. Wow??


Tim-
 
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