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'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

DrunkenAsparagus said:
I agree; this is what I'd prefer, but it doesn't look like that they're going to budge anytime soon, especially with the election results. At least a lot of the people in congress voted against DADT's repeal due to some conviction over it, but Obama has stated his support for repeal several times. Why doesn't he just do it?
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I think that is answered above. It really would be more effective and more lasting if congress step up and took care of this.
 
Always disturbs me how these issues are settled by a bunch of people who wouldn't join the military under any circumstances.

It's like having felons write criminal law.
 
roguenuke said:
Straight soldiers/sailors/marines are allowed and even encouraged to do many things, including getting married, bringing their loved ones to command events and ensuring that their loved ones are kept informed of certain command movements/activities, that gays are not allowed to do. These are things that every military member should be allowed to do because these are things that help to relieve some stress and worry from all servicemembers.
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Gay members can bring whomever they want to command events. There is no rule that states a male soldier must bring a female to said event or vice versa. As far as encouraged - encouraged by whom? I was never encouraged to get married by anyone in my command structure, nor was anyone else, so you'll need to provide some evidence as my direct experience disagrees with your statement. What servicemen and women do to reduce stress is their own business and every family and individual has their own way of coping. What this all boils down to after we separate the chaff is "gay marriage" again. Gays want to be openly gay and they cannot be openly gay while in the military without violating DADT. It has nothing to do with command events, or stress relief or any of that other nonsense. So, if they want marriage, they need to leave the military go to a state where gay marriage is legal, and get married and live their lives. I'm glad DADT stays, it should stay and LBGT people need to stop making their sexual proclivity other people's business.
 
Erod said:
Always disturbs me how these issues are settled by a bunch of people who wouldn't join the military under any circumstances.

It's like having felons write criminal law.
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You mean congress?
 
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Erod said:
Always disturbs me how these issues are settled by a bunch of people who wouldn't join the military under any circumstances.

It's like having felons write criminal law.
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Make all Congresspeople have served in the military then if you're so inclined.
 
Erod said:
Always disturbs me how these issues are settled by a bunch of people who wouldn't join the military under any circumstances.

It's like having felons write criminal law.
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There's nothing disturbing about it; you just don't like gay people.

Now respond with "I don't care whom people pork, etc."
 
SirPwn4lot said:
Make all Congresspeople have served in the military then if you're so inclined.
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I'd like them to do it for 1 week. Take them through the 1st week of basic, right now. Not the PT - 3/4 of them would die of heart attacks on the first day. The rest of it would be fine - it'll give them some perspective and bring back memories and perspective for those who did serve.

How mean am I eh?

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Ockham said:
I'd like them to do it for 1 week. Take them through the 1st week of basic, right now. Not the PT - 3/4 of them would die of heart attacks on the first day. The rest of it would be fine - it'll give them some perspective and bring back memories and perspective for those who did serve.
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I get the joke, but to be more serious, at what age?
 
Ockham said:
I'm glad DADT stays, it should stay and LBGT people need to stop making their sexual proclivity other people's business.
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Oh puh-lease....it's people like you who make gay people's sex lives their business......why does it matter to you who people love and want to marry. If it doesn't involve you then you should stay out of it. However, you people always feel the need to stick your nose in other people's lives.
 
disneydude said:
Oh puh-lease....it's people like you who make gay people's sex lives their business......why does it matter to you who people love and want to marry.
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It doesn't - so I don't ask about it and I don't want people to tell me about it. So don't MAKE it my business by removing DADT.

disneydude said:
If it doesn't involve you then you should stay out of it. However, you people always feel the need to stick your nose in other people's lives.
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Uh.. DADT is about just that - staying out of it. I'm actually wanting to NOT stick my nose anywhere and I'd rather be oblivious where the military is concerned.
 
In one week...the Republican party has reassured us all where they stand on the issues. They are the party that is willing to hold the middle class/working class hostage for the benefit of the rich and they are willing to continue to use the military to forward their anti-gay agenda.
 
disneydude said:
Oh puh-lease....it's people like you who make gay people's sex lives their business......why does it matter to you who people love and want to marry. If it doesn't involve you then you should stay out of it. However, you people always feel the need to stick your nose in other people's lives.
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Better yet, if we're interested in keeping sexual matters private, DADT should apply to heterosexuals as well. If you're straight and start going on about your wife or how you had sex with this hot girl once, you should get the boot just like a gay person for flaunting your sexual proclivities.
 
Ockham said:
It doesn't - so I don't ask about it and I don't want people to tell me about it. So don't MAKE it my business by removing DADT.

Uh.. DADT is about just that - staying out of it. I'm actually wanting to NOT stick my nose anywhere and I'd rather be oblivious where the military is concerned.
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You absolutely are. YOU and people like you are the ones that are making it about sexual orientation. Why not just the best people serve rather than use the military as your last bastion of discrimination?
 
patria antiqua said:
better yet, if we're interested in keeping sexual matters private, dadt should apply to heterosexuals as well. If you're straight and start going on about your wife or how you had sex with this hot girl once, you should get the boot just like a gay person for flaunting your sexual proclivities.
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exactly.....! But the bigots aren't ok with that.
 
disneydude said:
In one week...the Republican party has reassured us all where they stand on the issues. They are the party that is willing to hold the middle class/working class hostage for the benefit of the rich and they are willing to continue to use the military to forward their anti-gay agenda.
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Different day, same message from Disneydude. Tax the rich, tax the rich, tax the rich!! Tax cuts except of course to people like Disneydude are an expense to the govt, and DADT in an all VOLUNTEER military is discrimination! Disneydude, are you planning on enlisting?
 
Let's take a second and remind everyone what "openly gay" means in this case. Gay soldiers want to be able to keep photos of their partners, or register their partners to recieve the same benefits as any other soldier's spouse in case the soldier dies. What these men and women want is to be able to be honest. It's not like suddenly the uniform will change to include ass-less chaps.
 
disneydude said:
You absolutely are. YOU and people like you are the ones that are making it about sexual orientation. Why not just the best people serve rather than use the military as your last bastion of discrimination?
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I'm about keeping DADT and not knowing. You're continued assumption and accusations about who and what is about as old and cheap of an internet ploy as there is. It doesn't belong in the military, period. If the gays don't like it, leave the military and go do what they want, flaunt what they want, get married in a state that allows it if they want, and live their lives.

People like YOU aren't satisfied until LGBT issues are rammed up everyone's nose and flaunted so you can scream "discrimination" or "homophobe" to all your liberal buddies for the weekly circle jerk newsletter. This is akin to the military pushing Christianity and making it mandetory for Church and flaunting it - imagine the outrage from people like you about that! The epic whine parade would cry havoc.
 
Patria Antiqua said:
There's nothing disturbing about it; you just don't like gay people.

Now respond with "I don't care whom people pork, etc."
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No, I don't care, but that isn't what this is about.

It takes special people to do what the military does. I don't feel qualified to make decisions like this for them. I'm for what they are for, whatever that is.
 
Ockham said:
I'm about keeping DADT and not knowing. You're continued assumption and accusations about who and what is about as old and cheap of an internet ploy as there is. It doesn't belong in the military, period. If the gays don't like it, leave the military and go do what they want, flaunt what they want, get married in a state that allows it if they want, and live their lives.

People like YOU aren't satisfied until LGBT issues are rammed up everyone's nose and flaunted so you can scream "discrimination" or "homophobe" to all your liberal buddies for the weekly circle jerk newsletter. This is akin to the military pushing Christianity and making it mandetory for Church and flaunting it - imagine the outrage from people like you about that! The epic whine parade would cry havoc.
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That's fine, as long as straight people keep their sexuality out of the military as well.
 
Paschendale said:
Let's take a second and remind everyone what "openly gay" means in this case. Gay soldiers want to be able to keep photos of their partners, or register their partners to recieve the same benefits as any other soldier's spouse in case the soldier dies. What these men and women want is to be able to be honest. It's not like suddenly the uniform will change to include ass-less chaps.
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If you truly want to be "honest" then you have to recognize that the military is all volunteer and thus subject to the rules created by the military commanders, it isn't a civil rights issue. DADT has to be changed by Congress and the military, right now that isn't going to happen.
 
Erod said:
No, I don't care, but that isn't what this is about.

It takes special people to do what the military does. I don't feel qualified to make decisions like this for them. I'm for what they are for, whatever that is.
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So, the pentagon and the survey finds that repealing DADT shouldn't be a big problem.

Why do you oppose repeal?
 
Conservative said:
Different day, same message from Disneydude. Tax the rich, tax the rich, tax the rich!! Tax cuts except of course to people like Disneydude are an expense to the govt, and DADT in an all VOLUNTEER military is discrimination! Disneydude, are you planning on enlisting?
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Voluntary or not, LBGT issues MUST be fully accepted in the programming of everyone or else the whiners scream "HOMOPHOBE"

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Patria Antiqua said:
That's fine, as long as straight people keep their sexuality out of the military as well.
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What makes the military great is the discipline that is instilled in all who have volunteered to serve. Discipline comes from rules which seem to not have a place in society today. DADT is a rule in place, you don't like the rule, don't enlist.
 
Conservative said:
What makes the military great is the discipline that is instilled in all who have volunteered to serve. Discipline comes from rules which seem to not have a place in society today. DADT is a rule in place, you don't like the rule, don't enlist.
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Unless they meet a gay soldier, then they can run around freaking out about gay cooties.
 
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