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'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

Your Star said:
Reprimanding a gay person for sexual harassing someone isn't being homophobic. It is treating us the same, and that is all we want.
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Be real, would you really ever take the word of a straight soldier over that of a gay one or would you more likely believe the straight soldier is just making up the harassment charge? Be honest, you all would rally around the gay soldier and call anyone who believed the straight soldier homophobic.
 
X Factor said:
Be real, would you really ever take the word of a straight soldier over that of a gay one or would you more likely believe the straight soldier is just making up the harassment charge? Be honest, you all would rally around the gay soldier and call anyone who believed the straight soldier homophobic.
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Gee, you mean a straight man might have to go through the same BS that comes with disbelief that woman has to go through when she turns in a straight guy for harrassment? Oh, woe is me. I know now that you see that straight men are weak compared to women.
 
SirPwn4lot said:
I'm sure there's a significant number of soldiers who think Islam is morally wrong, does that mean we should kick all Muslims out of the military? I was hesitant in making this point because you probably do want them kicked out :/ Oh well.
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I would like to see the ones who want to shoot their fellow soldiers kicked out before they actually get to shoot up their fellow soldiers...but yeah, that's just me.
 
X Factor said:
Be real, would you really ever take the word of a straight soldier over that of a gay one or would you more likely believe the straight soldier is just making up the harassment charge? Be honest, you all would rally around the gay soldier and call anyone who believed the straight soldier homophobic.
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Hey look, here are the straws your grasping at.

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Summerwind said:
Gee, you mean a straight man might have to go through the same BS that comes with disbelief that woman has to go through when she turns in a straight guy for harrassment? Oh, woe is me. I know now that you see that straight men are weak compared to women.
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So you agree that I'm right then, you just think straight guys have it coming.
 
X Factor said:
So you agree that I'm right then, you just think straight guys have it coming.
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I agree that you are admitting to being a weakling, yes. Man Up!
 
Summerwind said:
Morality and religiosity are two entirely different things regardless of the religious' slanderous to the contrary. I know a hell of a lot people who claim religion that don't have a moral bone in their bodies, like lots of public politicians who like paiges and diapers and cheating on their dying wives. Contrarily I know atheists that are exceptionally moral.

Surely you aren't so ignorant as to be stuck in this trap are you?
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I didn't argue the rightness or wrongness of the moral/religious objections, I was just explaining why it's different for many people if they're hit on by someone of the same sex.
 
X Factor said:
I didn't argue the rightness or wrongness of the moral/religious objections, I was just explaining why it's different for many people if they're hit on by someone of the same sex.
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Then they're entirely stupid and we shouldn't make rules or laws based on such stupidity.
 
X Factor said:
I'm not following you down this rabbit trail. Sorry.
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Too late, you're already pegged. Thanks! I'll never see you in any light again except for the light of being weaker in character than most women because you think something should be "fair" for you, and heterosexual men, that isn't "fair" for anyone else. You said it, you dug your own hole, and you slid yourself right into it.
 
Summerwind said:
Then they're entirely stupid and we shouldn't make rules or laws based on such stupidity.
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Oh so, there should be no rules against gay soldiers hitting on straight soldiers because, well, it's just stupid to be bothered by it?
 
X Factor said:
Oh so, there should be no rules against gay soldiers hitting on straight soldiers because, well, it's just stupid to be bothered by it?
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There should be rules that NO soldiers should sexually harrass any other soldiers of any gender or sexual persuasion, period. As for "hitting on," if it isn't harrassment, and not disallowed for any other reason like fraternization, why should straight men be any more protected than women are from male soldiers? Should we disallow male soldiers from hitting on female soldiers? Are straight men such f'ing pansies?
 
Summerwind said:
Too late, you're already pegged. Thanks! I'll never see you in any light again except for the light of being weaker in character than most women because you think something should be "fair" for you, and heterosexual men, that isn't "fair" for anyone else. You said it, you dug your own hole, and you slid yourself right into it.
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I could try to extract some sort of actual argument from this or I could just run my head repeatedly into a wall. It's a toss up which would hurt less.
 
X Factor said:
Oh so, there should be no rules against gay soldiers hitting on straight soldiers because, well, it's just stupid to be bothered by it?
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There should be common laws on unwanted sexual advances.

Contrary to conventional wisdom, most homosexuals don't secretly rape you in your sleep...
 
Summerwind said:
There should be rules that NO soldiers should sexually harrass any other soldiers of any gender or sexual persuasion, period. As for "hitting on," if it isn't harrassment, and not disallowed for any other reason like fraternization, why should straight men be any more protected than women are from male soldiers? Should we disallow male soldiers from hitting on female soldiers?
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Maybe. Are women generally as incensed by being hit on by men, as men are by being hit on by men?
 
X Factor said:
Maybe. Are women generally as incensed by being hit on by men, as men are by being hit on by men?
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Rules are rules, either they are presented across the board or they're just BS. It shouldn't matter if women are more or less incensed. That said, not all men would be incensed, just as not all women would be incensed. That's entirely an individual response that cannot be applied gender wide as you are trying to do.
 
Aren't the physical standards in the military different for men and women? Using your argument, shouldn't women have to perform to the same standards men do? After all,
"Rules are rules, either they are presented across the board or they're just BS."

Or is it more reasonable to recognize details do matter and that different situations call for different rules.
 
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X Factor said:
Aren't the physical standards in the military different for men and women? Using your argument, shouldn't women have to perform to the same standards men do?
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Yes, they should.

On edit: Either certain skills and abilities are required to be a soldier or they aren't. If they are, then all should have to pass those tests.
 
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Summerwind said:
Yes, they should.

On edit: Either certain skills and abilities are required to be a soldier or they aren't. If they are, then all should have to pass those tests.
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I'm calling Gloria Allred on your ass.
 
X Factor said:
I'm calling Gloria Allred on your ass.
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Go for it, whoever she is. I do have to point out that if women can succeed in the military at lesser standards, then probably the standards for men are too high.
 
Who exactly are the good guys?
 
BCR said:
Who exactly are the good guys?
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That depends entirely on one's perspective. Subjective questions such as yours cannot be objectively answered.
 
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