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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well, most don't now for obvious reasons, but that could change if there's no impediment to making such claims over relatively innocuous behavior.
    Most don't cause most people aren't douches who file a complaint for a joke. Most gays aren't either.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well, most don't now for obvious reasons, but that could change if there's no impediment to making such claims over relatively innocuous behavior.
    Actually, making false charges does have an impediment, a fairly serious one.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I do get why this is so troubling to you and others, Star, but you have to consider the greater good. You can't expect the military to be as PC as civiian society.
    It's really not that hard to see the hypocrisy, and blatant discrimination in DADT. If you can not tell me how the activities I described would cause problems, then you really have no basis for this "greater good" argument, especially since, you know there is that scientific study saying that lifting DADT won't cause harm to military readiness. It's not about being PC, it's about treating everyone equally.
    Stuff like starting a family, which is encouraged for straight soldiers is prohibited under DADT for LGBT soldiers because it is considered telling.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I would not like to be in the Navy serving aboard ships at sea for periods of 90 days living in close quarters, showering, etc with men that were sexually attracted to me.........
    From what I can recall about you NP, that won't really be an issue, right? Since you are not in the Navy and very unlikely to get back in.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Is there any other military policy that you want to put to a referendum?
    I would like to see the restrictions on political speech lifted.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually, making false charges does have an impediment, a fairly serious one.
    Depends on the charge.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You are joking right? Are you really that uninformed about this policy?
    That is my understanding of the policy. I remember when there was a complete ban on gays in the military, DADT was the compromise. Gays can serve, just keep it to yourself.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually, making false charges does have an impediment, a fairly serious one.
    But I'm not even talking about "false" charges. I'm talking about guys making possibly offensive comments getting in trouble for it.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    But I'm not even talking about "false" charges. I'm talking about guys making possibly offensive comments getting in trouble for it.
    Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they are going to go crying to the commander just because someone used the word fag, or dyke if that's what you're getting at.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Existing in the same room is not sexual harassment.
    Simply existing, no. But even the most innocent action, or comment can be perceived as sexual harassment, in the miltiary. In the military, you can be charged with sexual harassment for looking at someone the wrong way; literally. You have to understand that we're dealing with a system where pointing your finger isn't allowed, because it can be taken as a threat of violence.

    So, if gays and straights are forced to share billets, expect a rise in sexual harassment cases.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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