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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Sexual harrassment shouldn't happen period. I say we ban all straight men from the military, since they're the biggest offenders.
    Interesting, so would gay service members claim harassment when someone in their barracks tell a gay or dirty joke? I hadn't even considered this possibility before.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Interesting, so would gay service members claim harassment when someone in their barracks tell a gay or dirty joke? I hadn't even considered this possibility before.
    Well anyone can claim harassment. Most don't.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    After DADT was redefined and the ban on gays lifted, it would be a regulation against discrimination. Perhaps, apart of the modification of the regulation it could read, "to prevent discrimination...". Would that make you feel better? Or will you only be satisfied when a gay soldier can keep a great big bottle of gay pride pills in his footlocker?
    You do realize that discrimination against someone based on their sexuality is already against military rules, right? A person can charge someone for discrimination against a gay person or someone that the charged person may believe is gay. DADT actually has a harmful effect on this rule because if the person who was being discriminated against is found to actually be gay during the investigation of the discrimination charge, that person can be put out under DADT rules. But, the person charged with discrimination could still face punishment if it was also found that he/she really was discriminating against the person based on their sexuality.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    But it's not true that LGBT soldiers cannot do those things you mention, Star. Isn't the "don't ask" part about not investigating possibly gay soldiers? The military won't look to out you so long as you don't out yourself.
    You are joking right? Are you really that uninformed about this policy?

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    They can't do these things. If they brought a partner to a military function, they would be outed, if they lived with their partner on base, they would be outed, if they got a marriage(in a state that has SSM) they would be outed. Now I'm sure you would agree that this stuff isn't flaunting one's sexuality, now why should a LGBT soldier be discharged because of these things?
    I do get why this is so troubling to you and others, Star, but you have to consider the greater good. You can't expect the military to be as PC as civiian society.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Well anyone can claim harassment. Most don't.
    Well, most don't now for obvious reasons, but that could change if there's no impediment to making such claims over relatively innocuous behavior.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I do get why this is so troubling to you and others, Star, but you have to consider the greater good. You can't expect the military to be as PC as civiian society.
    So you are perfectly fine with the military discharging someone just because they are dating or married to someone of the same sex outside of their military life?

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I do get why this is so troubling to you and others, Star, but you have to consider the greater good. You can't expect the military to be as PC as civiian society.
    It's not PC to think a person should be able to bring their partner to a command event for families. That is called common ****ing sense. Our military can handle those trials and tribulations perfectly well. Unlike some, I and Your Star actually think our military people are not idiots.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not, when it comes to asking a soldier's sexual orientation, hence DADT.
    As I've said, yes there are rules against military members discriminating against someone based on their sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation. They aren't good enough because of DADT leading to possible discharges if the accuser happens to actually be found to be gay.
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