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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I think you're drastically overestimating the number of gay service members who will come out. While there might be slightly higher numbers in the more tolerant branches, I'd be shocked if anyone came out in the Marines/Army. There's no need to. It takes quite a bit of trust for gays not in the military to come out to people they don't know. For gays in the military, they'd be even more cautious.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post

    Not workable. Telling military people they cannot talk about their spouses, girlfriend/boyfriend and such is just not going to work.
    So, let's don't even try. Right?

    I love your positive attitude.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    But, it all boils down to one thing: what if you're wrong?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, let's don't even try. Right?

    I love your positive attitude.
    Not trying things that are obviously not workable is a good thing. Hell, part of being in the military is having that support group around you in your (as we called them) shipmates. If some one is having trouble with their spouse, it's a good thing to be able to vent to those you serve with. When you are deployed and get a Dear John type letter, it's good to be able to talk about it to those around you.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, it all boils down to one thing: what if you're wrong?
    Well, military leaders with more experience than you and I have combined have decided I'm not.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not trying things that are obviously not workable is a good thing. Hell, part of being in the military is having that support group around you in your (as we called them) shipmates. If some one is having trouble with their spouse, it's a good thing to be able to vent to those you serve with. When you are deployed and get a Dear John type letter, it's good to be able to talk about it to those around you.
    And, you know it won't work, how? There re already restrictions on free speach in the military. I've served in units that didn't allow political conversations, sexual conversations.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Well, military leaders with more experience than you and I have combined have decided I'm not.
    The Army Chief of Staff and the Commandant of the Marine Corps haven't decided that you're wrong. The Commandant suggested seperate billets for gay and straight soldiers--which I think will be a part of our military's future.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, it all boils down to one thing: what if you're wrong?
    No, it boils down to protecting innocent people over bigots. This same argument failed with blacks and women. Give it up. There are no spooky people whose mere presence will cause the armed forces to fall apart.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, let's don't even try. Right?

    I love your positive attitude.
    No, it's a ridiculous suggestion. It shows you don't give a damn about morale. Family and loved ones are what keep our troops going.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    No, it boils down to protecting innocent people over bigots. This same argument failed with blacks and women. Give it up. There are no spooky people whose mere presence will cause the armed forces to fall apart.
    What about protecting straight soldiers from discrimination by gay officers and NCO's? Screw'em, because they're all just a buncha homophobes and bigots, anyway?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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