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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, I bet you would find a ****load of people that would agree that if there had been a way to avoid the rioting and the breakdown in discipline, that it should have been done. Yes?

    Here, we have a way to avoid all that crap, but most Liberals seem to want to just kick that idea to the curb and go for broke. I also think there are alotta folks that would agree that we shouldn't repeat the mistakes of the past.
    I'm curious as to how you would have avoided the issues the military had with segregation.

    Regardless, your idea, while it does have some merit, is not practical. You're not going to get straight men to stop talking about women, whether it's their wives, girlfriends, or just girls they want to bang. What you would do is put officers and NCOs in the extremely awkward position of having to disciplines their troops for 50 conversations they overhear every day.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I'm curious as to how you would have avoided the issues the military had with segregation.

    Regardless, your idea, while it does have some merit, is not practical. You're not going to get straight men to stop talking about women, whether it's their wives, girlfriends, or just girls they want to bang. What you would do is put officers and NCOs in the extremely awkward position of having to disciplines their troops for 50 conversations they overhear every day.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What stereotyping?
    Basically, that everyone who supports DADT are homophobes. That stereotyping.






    Still do. I looked it up for another thread and the difference was huge.
    Not after 20 Jan, they won't.





    So it would no longer be DADT. It would just be DA.
    No, it would still be DADT; with extra emphasis on the don't ask part. Having a soldier's meeting about each other's sexual persuits would become a violation of DoD regulations. It would be so, while on duty, anyway.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I'm curious as to how you would have avoided the issues the military had with segregation.
    I dunno. I never looked into it that deep. But, if there was a way, it should have been put into place.

    Regardless, your idea, while it does have some merit, is not practical. You're not going to get straight men to stop talking about women, whether it's their wives, girlfriends, or just girls they want to bang. What you would do is put officers and NCOs in the extremely awkward position of having to disciplines their troops for 50 conversations they overhear every day.
    I think it's worth a shot. With gays serving, "openly", we're putting our officers and NCO's into the position of having to deal with no telling how many EO and sexual harassment complaints, which I think would far outnumber the on the spot corrections for having an illegal conversation.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    If solders are so inconvenienced by having openly gay people among them then why does the U.S. cooperate with the U.N. Most of those countries allow Gays to openly serve. Just goes to show how ass backward this country can get things sometimes.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I dunno. I never looked into it that deep. But, if there was a way, it should have been put into place.


    I think it's worth a shot. With gays serving, "openly", we're putting our officers and NCO's into the position of having to deal with no telling how many EO and sexual harassment complaints, which I think would far outnumber the on the spot corrections for having an illegal conversation.
    I think you're drastically overestimating the number of gay service members who will come out. While there might be slightly higher numbers in the more tolerant branches, I'd be shocked if anyone came out in the Marines/Army. There's no need to. It takes quite a bit of trust for gays not in the military to come out to people they don't know. For gays in the military, they'd be even more cautious.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Basically, that everyone who supports DADT are homophobes. That stereotyping.
    And I am doing that where?



    Not after 20 Jan, they won't.
    Yes, after Jan. 20.

    No, it would still be DADT; with extra emphasis on the don't ask part. Having a soldier's meeting about each other's sexual persuits would become a violation of DoD regulations. It would be so, while on duty, anyway.
    Not workable. Telling military people they cannot talk about their spouses, girlfriend/boyfriend and such is just not going to work.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I think you're drastically overestimating the number of gay service members who will come out. While there might be slightly higher numbers in the more tolerant branches, I'd be shocked if anyone came out in the Marines/Army. There's no need to. It takes quite a bit of trust for gays not in the military to come out to people they don't know. For gays in the military, they'd be even more cautious.
    There would be some, but not alot, even in the army/marines. It would not be the opening conversational gambit day one in a unit(well, there will be a couple, but they won't do well in the military and will be gone quickly), but once you get to know those around you and get comfortable and feeling safe, yeah, some will.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    Msgt has something better to do?
    Not really, no.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    If solders are so inconvenienced by having openly gay people among them then why does the U.S. cooperate with the U.N. Most of those countries allow Gays to openly serve. Just goes to show how ass backward this country can get things sometimes.
    Because UN troops and American troops don't serve in mixed units together, nor do they share billets.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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