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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There are all sorts of rules in the military against discrimination. DADT is not one of them. Nowhere does it say "gays will not be discriminated against. What DADT does do is add a set of discriminatory rules against gays. Discrimination is not protection from discrimination.
    After DADT was redefined and the ban on gays lifted, it would be a regulation against discrimination. Perhaps, apart of the modification of the regulation it could read, "to prevent discrimination...". Would that make you feel better? Or will you only be satisfied when a gay soldier can keep a great big bottle of gay pride pills in his footlocker?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    Because Liberals never look that far ahead. Most of them aren't ever going to serve in the military, so they don't give a **** if it gets ugly. I believe there's even a faction within the Liberal community that wants things to get ugly. "Make thim mean homophobes pay for their bigotry".
    I believe that those against DADT repeal do so because they are worried that when they are around gays they will be overwhelmed with the desire to have gay sex. See how easy it is to believe stupid ****? By the way, liberal vets outnumber conservative vets in both the house and senate.

    I think's why we rarely hear--if ever--Liberals say, "...allow gays to serve in the military". But rather, we hear, "...allow gays to serve openly in the military". That smacks of, "in yo' face", kinda bull****.

    It's like gays just being able to serve in the miltiary, without fear of being discharged, for being gay, just isn't enough for them.

    They want that soldier to be able to stand up and say, "I'm gay and proud!". And, when that happens, it's going to cause problems.
    The part in bold is why DADT repeal needs to happen. Right now gays can serve, but with a fear of discharge if any one should find out.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Except, it would damn hard to inact a DADT policy with a black soldier. Obviously that's a dumbassed example. However, DADT could be left in place--with modifications. Are you aware of the race riots that the military experienced for the 20 +/- years after desegregation?

    If we could avoid that kind of blowback, shouldn't we do it? I would like to avoid it. Wouldn't you?
    I think "riot" is kind of a strong word...but no, if that's what it takes, that's what it takes. I doubt you'd find many people today that would agree that blacks should still be segregated because the military had some growing pains over it.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I can speak for myself and I can honestly say if Gays could serve openly when I enlisted I would not have done it..........Sure you can change laws but when they directly affect people serving as is the case here the changes should be made I suggested.............
    So, if you don't mind me asking, what about Gays serving openly would have made you decide not to serve?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    After DADT was redefined and the ban on gays lifted, it would be a regulation against discrimination. Perhaps, apart of the modification of the regulation it could read, "to prevent discrimination...". Would that make you feel better? Or will you only be satisfied when a gay soldier can keep a great big bottle of gay pride pills in his footlocker?
    So DADT would become "gays will not be discriminated against" and not "gays will be kicked out if they admit they are gay or get caught doing something so horrible as hold hands"? Wouldn't that kinda make it something entirely different than what it is and therefore need a new name since it would be an entirely different regulation?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I believe that those against DADT repeal do so because they are worried that when they are around gays they will be overwhelmed with the desire to have gay sex. See how easy it is to believe stupid ****?
    And, I think that's a stereotype, big time. I thought Liberals were opposed to stereotyping? Or, just against stereotyping some people?


    By the way, liberal vets outnumber conservative vets in both the house and senate.
    Well, they used to...

    I think this, "all, or none; my way, or the highway mentality", that Liberals have is part of the reason.



    The part in bold is why DADT repeal needs to happen. Right now gays can serve, but with a fear of discharge if any one should find out.
    If the ban on gays were lifted, then there would be no fear of discharge. I'm trying real hard why ya'll can't figure that part out.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I think "riot" is kind of a strong word...but no, if that's what it takes, that's what it takes. I doubt you'd find many people today that would agree that blacks should still be segregated because the military had some growing pains over it.

    But, I bet you would find a ****load of people that would agree that if there had been a way to avoid the rioting and the breakdown in discipline, that it should have been done. Yes?

    Here, we have a way to avoid all that crap, but most Liberals seem to want to just kick that idea to the curb and go for broke. I also think there are alotta folks that would agree that we shouldn't repeat the mistakes of the past.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, I think that's a stereotype, big time. I thought Liberals were opposed to stereotyping? Or, just against stereotyping some people?
    What stereotyping?




    Well, they used to...
    Still do. I looked it up for another thread and the difference was huge.

    [quoe]I think this, "all, or none; my way, or the highway mentality", that Liberals have is part of the reason.[/quote]

    This is so different from conservatives.

    Yes, that was sarcasm.

    If the ban on gays were lifted, then there would be no fear of discharge. I'm trying real hard why ya'll can't figure that part out.
    So it would no longer be DADT. It would just be DA.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So DADT would become "gays will not be discriminated against" and not "gays will be kicked out if they admit they are gay or get caught doing something so horrible as hold hands"? Wouldn't that kinda make it something entirely different than what it is and therefore need a new name since it would be an entirely different regulation?
    It took you this long to catch on to all that? Really?!?

    Actually, I think the language should be more like, "service members won't be discriminated against, because of their sexual orientation", since the regulation would be redefined so as to protect gay and straight soldiers from discrimination.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, I bet you would find a ****load of people that would agree that if there had been a way to avoid the rioting and the breakdown in discipline, that it should have been done. Yes?

    Here, we have a way to avoid all that crap, but most Liberals seem to want to just kick that idea to the curb and go for broke. I also think there are alotta folks that would agree that we shouldn't repeat the mistakes of the past.
    You mean like spend 9 months looking into how to do it? Now where did I hear about DoD spending 9 months looking into DADT repeal....
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