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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    Wait...any uniform, or just work uniforms?
    They can wear their dress blues in public still. I don't know about the charlies and alphas.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    There is a law in effect that says they don't have to serve with openly gays...........
    Actually no Navy, there is not. There is a law on the books that says if a gay person tells the military they are gay they will be discharged. A gay person can be flaming gay and not violate that law now.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's a bad thing, when it comes to DADT abolition being mostly agenda driven.

    I don't think it's, "special protection", it's a device put in place to allow gays to serve, without fear of being kicked out, or witch hunted.

    Why not just enlist, do your job and shutup?
    Well, if you didn't reply to my irrelevant closing statement and instead focused on the rest of the post, you would have your answer.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Strange, there used to be hundreds of straws lying around here, now most of them are gone...
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    They can wear their dress blues in public still. I don't know about the charlies and alphas.
    Well...good. We never could wear dungarees offbase, about time Marines started having to deal with it too.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Somebody like you misinterpreting what the story of the destruction of Sodom in the Bible was all about.

    I own two Bibles currently, and neither says that God was planning on destroying Sodom because of homosexuality. The reason that God gives for planning to destroy Sodom in the first place is because the people turned against him (which means that they were/became Pagans). And if you are only basing it on the townsmen raping/trying to rape the angels, there are a couple of flaws in this as well. First of all, in many stories about angels, they don't even have genders. Second, it was quite common for Pagans in that time to believe that if they had sexual relations with magical entities (i.e. angels) that they would gain the powers of those entities. Since it is highly illogical for anyone to believe that all the men of that town were gay, since the town obviously had generations of people living in it and gay men cannot reproduce amongst themselves, then it is much more logical to assume that the men in Sodom were all trying to gain some of the angels' powers for themselves. And finally, saying that the townsmen must be gay because they were planning to rape men and that is why God destroyed Sodom (ignoring completely the fact that God never said anything about planning to destroy Sodom or any other town for that matter because of the sexuality of anyone in those towns, and that He was planning on destroying Sodom all along, which is why the angels were there in the first place) is like trying to make a case that if a rapist rapes or attempts to rape a redheaded woman once, then he must prefer redheads, whether the sex is consensual or forced, even if it is shown that the woman he raped was his boss or someone else in authority over him (and most people know that rape is about power, not attraction). In both cases, it is very likely that the perpetrators would have attempted to rape whoever they viewed as being more powerful than them. Unless you somehow believe that if it had been angels that appeared to be women, instead of men, that those same townsmen wouldn't have raped or attempted to rape those women just because of their apparent gender?
    The sins of Sodom were not just sexual, but included many sins that we as a people are very, very guilty of today.....

    From Ezekiel 16:49-50 (English Standard Version)

    "....49Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride,(A) excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. 50They were haughty and(B) did an abomination before me. So(C) I removed them, when I saw it...."

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And, since I am a military spouse, the health care issue doesn't really affect me much either, although I am completely against the Universal Health Insurance.
    I see. You've got yours so scr** the millions who don't have it.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I can speak for myself and I can honestly say if Gays could serve openly when I enlisted I would not have done it..........Sure you can change laws but when they directly affect people serving as is the case here the changes should be made I suggested.............
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Why not allow people to serve with the same rules for everyone?
    Why not leave safegaurds in place, so as to make this an easier transition? Seems like common sense to me. If DADT were left in place, redefined so that it applied to everyone--to protect gay and straight soldiers alike--then the rules would apply to everyone.

    I still don't think this is going to have a happy ending, since DADT is being lifted and not the ban on gays. I think you're all in for a real shock, but I reckon we'll see.
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