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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    You are probably right, but to be totally consistent that is what the gays should be focusing on.
    I'm confused now. Isn't that what they're focusing on? The right to serve openly?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I'm confused now. Isn't that what they're focusing on? The right to serve openly?
    that seems to be the issue yet this is an all volunteer military. Can't imagine someone that really wants to serve having a problem with DADT? When I was in the military from 1970-1976 it certainly wasn't a democracy where the majority rules.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    that seems to be the issue yet this is an all volunteer military. Can't imagine someone that really wants to serve having a problem with DADT? When I was in the military from 1970-1976 it certainly wasn't a democracy where the majority rules.
    It's still not a democracy. You do what you're told, whether than means serving side by side with blacks or gays. If you look up polls conducted in the military when they were integrating blacks, the military was massively opposed to it. I'm not going to say it went smoothly, because there were some hiccups, but it did end up working out and I don't think anyone can imagine the military any other way today.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    It's still not a democracy. You do what you're told, whether than means serving side by side with blacks or gays. If you look up polls conducted in the military when they were integrating blacks, the military was massively opposed to it. I'm not going to say it went smoothly, because there were some hiccups, but it did end up working out and I don't think anyone can imagine the military any other way today.
    Although there is quite a bit of difference between race and sexual orientation especially when it comes to the military.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    It's still not a democracy. You do what you're told, whether than means serving side by side with blacks or gays. If you look up polls conducted in the military when they were integrating blacks, the military was massively opposed to it. I'm not going to say it went smoothly, because there were some hiccups, but it did end up working out and I don't think anyone can imagine the military any other way today.
    The problem with your scenario is the people that are already serving did not sign up to serve with gays openly...They knew they would serve with blacks........If DADT is repealed then any stright guy signing up would know it would be with gays serving openly.......That is a huge difference.......
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    Although there is quite a bit of difference between race and sexual orientation especially when it comes to the military.
    You wouldn't think so if you read some of the comments from polls conducted back then. They're eerily similar. Disgust is disgust. And it's really just an attitude. I've been in plenty of locker rooms with lesbians. It's never bothered me. For that matter, women regularily get pap smears from straight male doctors. If you think you'd be uncomfortable showering with someone who might be attracted to you, imagine that level of intrusion for a minute. And yet women do it without complaint. The uncomfortableness that men feel will fade, just like their uncomfortableness with blacks did.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The problem with your scenario is the people that are already serving did not sign up to serve with gays openly...They knew they would serve with blacks........If DADT is repealed then any stright guy signing up would know it would be with gays serving openly.......That is a huge difference.......
    And when their contract is up, they are welcome to not re-enlist. Military leaders have already said that. The flight from military service didn't happen when blacks were integrated, despite predictions and it won't happen now.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    And when their contract is up, they are welcome to not re-enlist. Military leaders have already said that. The flight from military service didn't happen when blacks were integrated, despite predictions and it won't happen now.
    I believe that any man who enlisted prior to DADT should be compensated financially if the law is repealed and he decides to leave the service because the govenrment is changing the contract he signed in the middle of the stream....I think compensation should be based on length of service starting at $50,000 dollars for people getting out during the first enlistment and $50,000 for every 4 year enlistment added on with a maximum of $250,000 for a man on his final enlistment (year 16 to 20 of service)........Anyone who enlisted prior to the repeal od DADT would know they would have to serve with gays openly and would not have that option.......

    The guys getting out instead of retiring would still be getting screwed because they would make a hell of a lot more then $250K..........
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I believe that any man who enlisted prior to DADT should be compensated financially if the law is repealed and he decides to leave the service because the govenrment is changing the contract he signed in the middle of the stream....I think compensation should be based on length of service starting at $50,000 dollars for people gettin out during the first enlistment and $50,000 for every 4 year enlistment added on with a maximum of $250,000 for a man on his final enlistment (year 16 to 20 of service)........Anyone who enlisted prior to the repeal od DADT would know they would have to serve with gays openly and would not have that option.......
    Please. They're in the military, not a fortune 500 company. Nowhere in their contract does it say they won't have to serve with gay people. The military can change their laws anytime they want. In fact, just recently the Marine Corps Commandant decided Marines can't wear their uniforms in public except for an emergency. Nobody gets to leave because they don't like new rules. And they certainly don't get compensation.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Please. They're in the military, not a fortune 500 company. Nowhere in their contract does it say they won't have to serve with gay people. The military can change their laws anytime they want. In fact, just recently the Marine Corps Commandant decided Marines can't wear their uniforms in public except for an emergency. Nobody gets to leave because they don't like new rules. And they certainly don't get compensation.


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