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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    IIRC, NavyPride was a ships serviceman in the navy for a long time, and it could be that he had to work for a time with some people whose "orientation" was questionable. I only did 12 years active duty and met 3 that I thought might be playing for the other side or both sides at the same time. They did thier jobs, tho, and never hit on me. Of course, there were plenty of good looking guys to hit on, nearly all prettier than me.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    Nothing to do with the subject.......when you sign up for the military you sign up to go to war if need be.....You don't sign up to serve openly with atheists/jews/muslims/blacks/latinos/insert-minority-here.
    There you go same old bull****..........You know all those individuals are serving so you do sign up to serve with them You don't sign up to serve with gays serving openly....
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    I don't mind being shot at, but please don't make me eat, sleep, and shower in the same vicinity as homosexuals!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    There you go same old bull****..........You know all those individuals are serving so you do sign up to serve with them You don't sign up to serve with gays serving openly....
    Except that with DADT in place, everyone knows that they could be signing up to serve with people who are gay. And with the current rules, it is even possible that you could have to just deal with serving alongside someone who is openly gay. A CO only has to open an investigation into a person being gay if there is some actual legal proof that a person is gay. Someone can announce that they are gay in berthing, but if the CO doesn't care or want to open an investigation, than anyone uncomfortable with the openly gay person will have to suck it up.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I don't mind being shot at, but please don't make me eat, sleep, and shower in the same vicinity as homosexuals!
    The horror, the horror!!!!!!

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No one should be signing up for the military with the preconceived notion that some things in the military won't change while they are in. Every military member is expected to show enough discipline to not allow their personal feelings interfere with their ability to do their job, which is to fight or support a war. And if anyone is currently signing up actually believing that they will never have to serve alongside a gay person, then they are deluding themselves. Especially with the way the rule is written about who decides whether to even start an investigation into someone's sexuality. An individual cannot start an investigation into the sexuality of another servicemember on their own, so if there was someone who was openly gay in their unit, and the chain of command chose not to do anything, then they would have to suck it up and live with that person anyway. A person can testify all they want that they heard someone say that they were gay, but unless their is an investigation open into the matter, authorized by the CO, then that homophobe is clear out of luck (and yes, anyone who would turn someone in just for saying they're gay without any misconduct on the gay person's side, is a homophobe, since they are doing so out of fear that the homosexual person might do something).
    I can honestly say if when I joined the Navy anf gays were allowed to serve openly I would not have joined........If DADT is revoked you will see a lot of senior POs and Chiefs who will leave the service at their first opportunity.....
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I can honestly say if when I joined the Navy anf gays were allowed to serve openly I would not have joined........If DADT is revoked you will see a lot of senior POs and Chiefs who will leave the service at their first opportunity.....
    Okay, let them go. People much more tolerant and more professional will take their place. (Although, I honestly doubt that too many would really give up a good job and good retirement in this economy. It would be a very poor decision.)

    Don't worry, I know very few nukes who would get out over this, senior or not. So at least one undermanned job will not lose a lot of people. And if some senior MAs get out over this, then it means more openings for my husband and other junior sailors to get promoted and less worry for us over him being forced out from PTS.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Except that with DADT in place, everyone knows that they could be signing up to serve with people who are gay. And with the current rules, it is even possible that you could have to just deal with serving alongside someone who is openly gay. A CO only has to open an investigation into a person being gay if there is some actual legal proof that a person is gay. Someone can announce that they are gay in berthing, but if the CO doesn't care or want to open an investigation, than anyone uncomfortable with the openly gay person will have to suck it up.
    That is true and it has not been a problem.......Serving with openly gay men is a whole different ball game........As a woman in the service it would not eveen affect you........
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is true and it has not been a problem.......Serving with openly gay men is a whole different ball game........As a woman in the service it would not eveen affect you........
    Except there are men who have served with openly gay men as well. How many times do I have to tell you this NP? I served with openly gay men. There were men in my department who everyone knew were gay. There was no problem with this, from the men or the women in my department.

    Besides, do you honestly think that there are no women who are uncomfortable serving with homosexual women? I know that this not true. My berthing was turned in for being gay by other women who were uncomfortable with it. We were talked to about not being so comfortable with each other in our berthing lounge to try to not offend some of the supply girls (most said that they thought the whole thing was stupid) and we had to take down the calendar that one of the girls had hung to purposely tick off those girls who felt "uncomfortable". We had openly gay girls in our berthing, but there wasn't actually an investigation opened because our command wasn't so much concerned about if any of us were actually gay as they were with trying to maintain peace without any getting charged with sexual harassment.
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