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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    then you haven't been watching the news

    only 5 days remaining for the dem majority, unless you think harry's gonna hold em over for christmas for this

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And Sodom had nothing to do with homosexuality, not according to the Bible. So I have no idea why you would bring it up.
    Where do you think the word Sodom came from? duh
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And it shouldn't have been asked. Would you ask the military "Do you want to go to war?" or would you ask them "What problems do you anticipate if we go to war, at this time, with this country, concerning your particular job/role?" The servicemembers are generally very knowledgeable in their own fields. They can tell you specific about what they have worked with and what has and hasn't worked in those areas.

    Since most of the people, especially in the Marine Corps, admitted to not having worked/lived with someone who is gay, then how would they know how they would really react to working with one? And there is no proof that having openly gay servicemembers affects unit morale, discipline or cohesion, so they must be basing their answers off fears and assumptions.
    Nothing to do with the subject........when you sign up for the military you sign up to go to war if need be......You don't sign up to serve openly with gays........
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Where do you think the word Sodom came from? duh
    you mean sodomy, you left off the Y....
    We had a young man on board ship in Vietnam who was openly effiminate, but not gay, so he said. He had an opera cape made in Hong Kong, and was prancing around in it aboard ship. A real screwball, but denied being gay.
    I can think of 2 others who might have been gay, one on a submarine, and one in Norfolk.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Nothing to do with the subject........when you sign up for the military you sign up to go to war if need be......You don't sign up to serve openly with gays........
    Nothing to do with the subject.......when you sign up for the military you sign up to go to war if need be.....You don't sign up to serve openly with atheists/jews/muslims/blacks/latinos/insert-minority-here.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Where do you think the word Sodom came from? duh
    Somebody like you misinterpreting what the story of the destruction of Sodom in the Bible was all about.

    I own two Bibles currently, and neither says that God was planning on destroying Sodom because of homosexuality. The reason that God gives for planning to destroy Sodom in the first place is because the people turned against him (which means that they were/became Pagans). And if you are only basing it on the townsmen raping/trying to rape the angels, there are a couple of flaws in this as well. First of all, in many stories about angels, they don't even have genders. Second, it was quite common for Pagans in that time to believe that if they had sexual relations with magical entities (i.e. angels) that they would gain the powers of those entities. Since it is highly illogical for anyone to believe that all the men of that town were gay, since the town obviously had generations of people living in it and gay men cannot reproduce amongst themselves, then it is much more logical to assume that the men in Sodom were all trying to gain some of the angels' powers for themselves. And finally, saying that the townsmen must be gay because they were planning to rape men and that is why God destroyed Sodom (ignoring completely the fact that God never said anything about planning to destroy Sodom or any other town for that matter because of the sexuality of anyone in those towns, and that He was planning on destroying Sodom all along, which is why the angels were there in the first place) is like trying to make a case that if a rapist rapes or attempts to rape a redheaded woman once, then he must prefer redheads, whether the sex is consensual or forced, even if it is shown that the woman he raped was his boss or someone else in authority over him (and most people know that rape is about power, not attraction). In both cases, it is very likely that the perpetrators would have attempted to rape whoever they viewed as being more powerful than them. Unless you somehow believe that if it had been angels that appeared to be women, instead of men, that those same townsmen wouldn't have raped or attempted to rape those women just because of their apparent gender?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Nothing to do with the subject........when you sign up for the military you sign up to go to war if need be......You don't sign up to serve openly with gays........
    No one should be signing up for the military with the preconceived notion that some things in the military won't change while they are in. Every military member is expected to show enough discipline to not allow their personal feelings interfere with their ability to do their job, which is to fight or support a war. And if anyone is currently signing up actually believing that they will never have to serve alongside a gay person, then they are deluding themselves. Especially with the way the rule is written about who decides whether to even start an investigation into someone's sexuality. An individual cannot start an investigation into the sexuality of another servicemember on their own, so if there was someone who was openly gay in their unit, and the chain of command chose not to do anything, then they would have to suck it up and live with that person anyway. A person can testify all they want that they heard someone say that they were gay, but unless their is an investigation open into the matter, authorized by the CO, then that homophobe is clear out of luck (and yes, anyone who would turn someone in just for saying they're gay without any misconduct on the gay person's side, is a homophobe, since they are doing so out of fear that the homosexual person might do something).
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Nothing to do with the subject........when you sign up for the military you sign up to go to war if need be......You don't sign up to serve openly with gays........
    You don't sign up to serve with "straights" either. You sign up to serve. Period.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    You people do realize that Navy's argument has nothing to do with the military or defense no?

    It's merely a cover for his homophobia. Navy would have us kick out linguistic specialists who are gay. The same people we badly need to decode terrorist chatter to prevent new attacks.

    The bad for defense argument is just hiding his dislike of gays who he has come out and argued are nothing more then animals who cannot control themselves despite the thousands who do so every day defending his freedom with their lives.
    That post needed to be repeated.

    Navy's opposition to gays in the military has nothing to do with the military. Navy's opposition to gays is because Navy doesn't like gays. He's just too immature to come out and say it.
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