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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you can't show where any one said it. Thank you.

    Moving along now....
    It was an argument made in another on line forum. I will admit that it was not a very prevalent or popular opinion, even among the left wingers.

    Okay, moving on now...

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is not the rule actually. Here it is: http://www.sldn.org/page/-/Website/T...%20Statute.pdf


    Number 2 is the stickler, and covers a broad range of things that are considered a "tell", such as being seen holding hands with another person of the same gender, sending romantic emails to some one of the same sex and having some one read it over your shoulder unknown to you, and so on.

    The rest of your post is just nonsense that no one is disputing, except for adding a third option: attempt to change the law.
    Thanks for the link, and I agree there are more than one rule - specifically, 2 rules.

    And third, doesn't change a thing. Sure there can be an attempt at anything. When I served, there was no protection - if a person was thought to be homosexual, they were just discharged period. I was asked up front by my recruiter and while my Sgt. Cole in basic might have called all of my class fairies and ****shaggers, none of us to my knowledge were gay. DADT was actually MORE than when I was in. Maybe that's why I don't see a problem with it.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So he didn't say that his grandmothers racism was typical of white people?

















    Yet you are almost silent on it, except when prodded. Well kudos for you on this.






    So he's only a little bit of a bigot.



    So when you state you speak out against any and all bigotry, that was the actual lie in our discussion, not that what I posted was dishonest.


    Good, I am glad we cleared that up.
    Did you actually listen to any of your clips.....LOL....or is it just more of the "Good Rev's" flat out dishonesty?

    Glad that we cleared that up......Doh!
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    It really does not matter what side of the issue you are on it is obvious that a repeal of DADT is a dead issue for at least the next 2 years and the good fight will continue to keep it that way after that........We must never agree with the blackmail of our military who are fighting and dying for us.........
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    None of which invalidates what I stated.
    ??? It invalidated exactly what I responded to: "More information on the Military Times poll: it starts with questions about sexual harassment by gays, then goes and asks opinions on repealing DADT"

    Not true/Invalidated

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The poll is flawed and self selected among Military Times readers. It is only slightly more valid that some of the polls here at DP. The DoD poll was scientific and had a margin of error of less than 1 %. Trying to use the Military Times poll to refute the DoD poll is silly(which you are not doing, but is being done in this thread).
    There's no need to "refute" anything. The Military Times and DoD poll found the same result on the question of interest. If DADT is repealed, almost a quarter of the military will says it will leave or think about leaving the military sooner than they had planned.

    The 2008 Military Times Poll asked a new question that produced jaw-dropping results: “If the ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy is overturned and gays are allowed to serve openly, how would you respond?” The article emphasized that 71% of respondents said they would continue to serve. But almost 10% said “I would not re-enlist or extend my service,” and 14% said “I would consider not re-enlisting or extending my service.” Only 6% expressed “No Opinion.” Before voting to repeal the law, Section 654, Title 10, members of Congress, and President-elect Barack Obama, ought to do the math.
    DoD Survey Results
    Question 81. If Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell is repealed, how, if at all, will your military career plans be affected?
    • I will leave sooner than I had planned: 12.6%
    • I will think about leaving sooner than I had planned: 11.1%

    If anything, the DoD results are even more concerning than those from the Military Times.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    There's no need to "refute" anything. The Military Times and DoD poll found the same result on the question of interest. If DADT is repealed, almost a quarter of the military will says it will leave or think about leaving the military sooner than they had planned.



    DoD Survey Results
    Question 81. If Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell is repealed, how, if at all, will your military career plans be affected?
    • I will leave sooner than I had planned: 12.6%
    • I will think about leaving sooner than I had planned: 11.1%

    If anything, the DoD results are even more concerning than those from the Military Times.
    Yes, historical example shows these polls are horse**** because every time a country switches to allow homosexuals to serve openly, no noticeable change in retention/recruitment is observed. People answer this way on a poll, but when it actually comes down to it, they just deal with it.

    Besides, there are already gay people serving and Gates made sure DADT is effectively dead already, so why are we even still bothering to keep it around?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    It really does not matter what side of the issue you are on it is obvious that a repeal of DADT is a dead issue for at least the next 2 years and the good fight will continue to keep it that way after that........We must never agree with the blackmail of our military who are fighting and dying for us.........
    Yet....people such as yourself are willing to use the military to impose your views on them despite the fact that not just the majority, but the overwhelming majority of them disagree with your view. Why do you hate the military that much Navy?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Anyone that voted simply because of DADT has a real problem. We have a lot more serious problems, 16+ million unemployed, a debt that is approaching 100% of GDP, and very slow economic growth that is making more and more people dependent on the govt. All these affect the people more than DADT.
    True.

    Because of that, IF the Republicans make economic decisions that I agree with, and that I think will improve (or DO improve) the economy, then I am highly likely to vote for them again.

    But I still think they should get rid of DADT.

    I doubt more than a few people are (or were) likely to vote for someone simply because they say they'll repeal DADT.

    I surely didn't.

    I'm also wondering if Pres. Obama and/or the Democrats are trying to push any decision on DADT to a later date so they can run on the issue in the next election...
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    It really does not matter what side of the issue you are on it is obvious that a repeal of DADT is a dead issue for at least the next 2 years and the good fight will continue to keep it that way after that........We must never agree with the blackmail of our military who are fighting and dying for us.........
    I cannot stress enough that I think you are completely incorrect in your statement here.

    But I can't change your mind, so I won't try - I'll just express my complete disagreement.

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