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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If you enlist now and violate DADT, you an be discharged and there is nothing wrong with the military discharging you. I know of no one who is saying otherwise. Gay people though have an entirely extra, arbitrary set of rules to what they can and cannot do. That is not equal protection.
    There is just one rule:

    "Under this policy, but not the law, service members are not to be asked about
    nor allowed to discuss their “same-sex orientation.”

    Since 1993 this policy has been in place and has been unsuccessfully challenged four times in the courts. Conservative's consistent view is correct: If a servicemember who is LGBT and is abiding by DADT finds it discriminatory, they can voluntarily discharge themselves. If a person wishing to go into military service finds the DADT policy discriminatory, they can choose not to join.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Where did some one say soldiers should not vote?
    In other other forums, usually by the same people who say illegal immigrants and felons should be allowed to vote.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The current rules are not what is preventing DADT from being repealed. A lack of votes is. That will likely change. Maybe tomorrow, maybe next year, probably within the next 3 years.
    At the rate this country is going it is going to be a long, long time before Democratic liberals get back into power so don't hold your breath.

    November Deficit was a historical deficit.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    There is just one rule:

    "Under this policy, but not the law, service members are not to be asked about
    nor allowed to discuss their “same-sex orientation.”

    Since 1993 this policy has been in place and has been unsuccessfully challenged four times in the courts. Conservative's consistent view is correct: If a servicemember who is LGBT and is abiding by DADT finds it discriminatory, they can voluntarily discharge themselves. If a person wishing to go into military service finds the DADT policy discriminatory, they can choose not to join.
    That is not the rule actually. Here it is: http://www.sldn.org/page/-/Website/T...%20Statute.pdf

    (b) Policy. - A member of the armed forces shall be separated from the armed
    forces under regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Defense if one or more of the
    following findings is made and approved in accordance with procedures set forth in such
    regulations:
    (1) That the member has engaged in, attempted to engage in, or solicited
    another to engage in a homosexual act or acts unless there are further findings,
    made and approved in accordance with procedures set forth in such regulations,
    that the member has demonstrated that --
    (A) such conduct is a departure from the member’s usual and
    customary behavior;
    (B) such conduct, under all the circumstances, is unlikely to recur;
    (C) such conduct was not accomplished by use of force, coercion,
    or intimidation;
    (D) under the particular circumstances of the case, the member’s
    continued presence in the armed forces is consistent with the interests of
    the armed forces in proper discipline, _ good order, and morale; and
    (E) the member does not have a propensity or intent to engage in
    homosexual acts.
    (2) That the member has stated that he or she is a homosexual or bisexual,
    or words to that effect, unless there is a further finding, made and approved in
    accordance with procedures set forth in the regulations, that the member has
    demonstrated that he or she is not a person who engages in, attempts to engage in,
    has a propensity to engage in, or intends to engage in homosexual acts.
    (3) That the member has married or attempted to marry a person known to
    be of the same biological sex.
    Number 2 is the stickler, and covers a broad range of things that are considered a "tell", such as being seen holding hands with another person of the same gender, sending romantic emails to some one of the same sex and having some one read it over your shoulder unknown to you, and so on.

    The rest of your post is just nonsense that no one is disputing, except for adding a third option: attempt to change the law.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    In other other forums, usually by the same people who say illegal immigrants and felons should be allowed to vote.
    So you can't show where any one said it. Thank you.

    Moving along now....
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    At the rate this country is going it is going to be a long, long time before Democratic liberals get back into power so don't hold your breath.

    November Deficit was a historical deficit.
    That is what people where saying about conservatives 2 years ago...
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    At the rate this country is going it is going to be a long, long time before Democratic liberals get back into power so don't hold your breath.

    November Deficit was a historical deficit.
    I've voted for repubs in all available categories (except one that I think was a libertarian, running for state AG, or something) in the last two elections, mainly because I preferred their ideas on economy/finances/etc.

    I did not vote for them so they could continue this asinine DADT ****.

    It was my understanding that it was being put off until the military could determine the best way to make the switch, which makes some sense.

    Not indefinitely, which makes ZERO sense.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is what people where saying about conservatives 2 years ago...
    Yep, that was before another 4 million people lost their jobs and 3 trillion added to the debt. That was when the hope and change message was bought but now the people are seeing the results. It is called "buyers' remorse" in a big way.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    I love it when lefties fight
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I've voted for repubs in all available categories (except one that I think was a libertarian, running for state AG, or something) in the last two elections, mainly because I preferred their ideas on economy/finances/etc.

    I did not vote for them so they could continue this asinine DADT ****.

    It was my understanding that it was being put off until the military could determine the best way to make the switch, which makes some sense.

    Not indefinitely, which makes ZERO sense.
    Anyone that voted simply because of DADT has a real problem. We have a lot more serious problems, 16+ million unemployed, a debt that is approaching 100% of GDP, and very slow economic growth that is making more and more people dependent on the govt. All these affect the people more that DADT.

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