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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yep, when it involves the all volunteer military and doesn't affect you. Your rights aren't being usurped. If you don't like the policy don't enlist.
    Equal protection does exist in the military. Under DADT, equal protection does not exist for one segment of the serving population. The all volunteer military is a red herring.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Why do people insist on all these labels?

    And there are also some Republicans who would disenfranchise our troops as well, if they had their way.

    Personally, I believe that only people who have done some form of military or civil service should be allowed to vote or hold office, but that's just me.
    I would not go that far, though I could support a mandatory service of two years, either military or civil for voting rights.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I was 13. Old enough to know that it was a compromise that was still not completely fair.

    A person fighting for equality will always be considered a "malcontent" by those who are fighting to keep bigotry and discrimination in place.
    In 1993 Bill Clinton was President and the Democrats controlled Congress. It worked for 17 years and it is going to be in place another 2 years at least. I am sorry for you but that is reality.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Equal protection does exist in the military. Under DADT, equal protection does not exist for one segment of the serving population. The all volunteer military is a red herring.
    As stated it has been law for 17 years and affects an ALL VOLUNTEER military. No one forces anyone to enlist and if someone doesn't like the policy then don't enlist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There is a serious flaw with the poll. The respondents where self selected from among those who read the Military Times. Just thought you might like to know. It's not a scientific poll.
    Most polls have some element of "self selection"

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    How in the world did we win WW2 without openly gay soldiers?

    It's a miracle.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    How in the world did we win WW2 without openly gay soldiers?

    It's a miracle.
    What does that have to do with anything?

    What a crock of **** post.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    More information on the Military Times poll: it starts with questions about sexual harassment by gays, then goes and asks opinions on repealing DADT.
    This is not true. There are no questions "about sexual harassment by gays" whatsoever.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It has been the law since 1993 so tell me why now there is such passion for repeal?
    Remember, Jim Crow laws were repealed many decades after they were originally passed. Opinions change. People change. Cultures become more open to this change. Welcome to the 21st century. Most Americans no longer fear homos.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    How in the world did we win WW2 without openly gay soldiers?

    It's a miracle.
    First of all, how do you know that there weren't any openly gay soldiers in WW2 and that some of those soldiers didn't do very brave and heroic acts?

    Second, it is not that allowing gays to serve openly will somehow make us able to win every war or even a much better fighting force. It is the fact that allowing gays to serve openly will actually be standing by the US ideals of freedom and democracy for all (not just heterosexuals) and it will actually show that the military really is fighting intolerance within its ranks.
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