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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Duty View Post
    So you admit that everytime the dems filibuster when republicans were in control back in 1994-2006 they and everyone that supported them filibustering were cowards. Thanks for clearly that up. BTW, how many times did you support the dems during this time?
    The objection is not to the idea of fillibuster, after all, the Senate is intented as the deliberative body of Congress. The problem is the indiscriminate use of the fillibuster. Though fillibusters have been on the rise since the rules were relaxed, the Repubicans have abused the system in a way that it was never intended. The Senate was meant to be majority rules except for special issues, where debate was open to all (the fillibuster)..... but when the debate was over, time to vote.





    the Regressives simply have abused the system
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by qwertyuiop View Post
    Read some news. Collins and Lieberman are reintroducing a stand alone bill.
    get real

    The Senate this afternoon killed on a procedural motion, 57 to 40, a bill containing repeal of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell ban on gays in the military. The vote is a blow to President Obama, who personally phoned Republican Senators urging repeal. The vote fell three short of the 60 needed to move ahead on the defense authorization bill, which contained the repeal, and may kill, possibly for years, legislative repeal of the 17-year-old ban. Efforts are underway to revive repeal as a stand-alone bill, but that faces even tougher odds, with just over a week left before this Congress adjourns. Defense Secretary Robert Gates and top Pentagon brass had all strenuously urged repeal during the lameduck session of Congress.

    Senate majority leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., called up the defense bill knowing it would fail. Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine rushed to the Senate floor moments before the vote, accusing Reid of sabotaging their negotiations. "There was such a clear path for us to be able to get this bill done and I am perplexed and frustrated that this important bill is going to become a victim of politics," Collins said. "Sen. Lieberman and I have been bargaining in good faith with the majority leader." Collins said she thought she and Sen. Joe Lieberman,I-Conn.,who had been championing repeal, had an agreement to allow a debate with 10 GOP amendments and 5 Democratic amendments. Collins supports repeal, and supporters hoped that an agreement on the parameters of debate would brought (sic) along enough other Republicans to repeal the ban. Reid accused Republicans of moving the goal posts during negotiations.

    The defense bill is probably dead for this session of Congress, the first time a defense bill has failed to move in 48 years.

    Just after the vote, Collins and Lieberman said they would move to bring up repeal on its own and had Reid's support. But that too would be vulnerable to procedural roadblocks and is seen as a last-ditch effort.

    Recently, Republicans had insisted that their deal with President Obama on tax cuts be resolved before proceeding to any other business, including the defense bill.

    Repeal of Don't Ask had passed the House earlier this year, but Republican leaders who will assume control of the House in January have made clear they have no intention of bringing up repeal when they take control.
    Don't Ask, Don't Tell repeal implodes in Senate : SFGate: Politics Blog

    truth is, this thing with competent management could have moved

    truth is, and this is gonna hurt, anything leadership today pushes is pretty much dead simply because it's leadership that's pushing it

    reid is as clumsy, maladroit as the president

    you guys really needed to replace pelosi, big mistake

    the bosses of the new gop have made it quite clear---we will allow literally nothing until you guys get your stuff together and fulfill your exigent responsibilities---the 2011 income tax

    the mutiny this morning in the house by what almost by definition qualifies as an extremist progressivism prevents all that

    and, unlike you guys, we actually know what we're doing and mean what we say

    that means, dream, dadt, start...

    we will give you nothing until the taxes are done

    no matter how you react to our principled position, we will maintain our professionalism

    unlike the george millers and anthony weiners who this morning cheerled outraged chants of "just say no!" and "no, we can't!"

    your caucus was throwing chairs against walls, according to howard fineman on msnbc

    biden was obscenely bitched out

    halperin of time and msnbc wrote of the "democrat's nervous breakdown"

    the 2011 tax is now...

    well, it's OUR move now

    the extension of unemployment benefits, too, maybe to include the 99er's or maybe not, which will CERTAINLY be paid for

    first thing on boehner's blueprint

    try to see what's clearly coming

    then to the senate, with 6 more R's, where manchin, webb, lieberman, nelson, nelson, conrad, baucus and probably a few others are waiting

    then to obama's desk

    and fast

    obama's already on record---"it's the right thing to do"

    "for the middle class, for jobs, for the economy, for business"

    now, on dadt obama can act unilaterally, but i personally cannot see him expending such capital for a constituency he frankly just doesn't care that much about

    here's where some people go to start to get back their self respect:

    Out-Serve, a network of active gay, lesbian and bisexual troops, issued a statement calling the defeat "heartbreaking and demoralizing" for troops who "who must continue to serve in silence and live a lie. No words can describe how it felt to watch our U.S. senators uphold discrimination and perpetuate the deceit and compromised integrity that consistently result under 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell.' We had more faith in our elected officials to heed the advice of military leadership and vote against prejudice. Instead, a minority of senators have successfully blockaded the entire defense spending bill on the basis of prejudice and politics. This was nothing short of turning their backs on the people that defend this country."
    by the way, closing gitmo was dealt its "death blow" yesterday

    House acts to block closing of Gitmo - Washington Times

    sorry
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    LGBT people aren't the bad guys at all. They made the mistake of gambling on Obama caring about their issues. They were unwise.
    Ah yes, because a gamble on McCain would have been all the wiser.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    the Repubicans have abused the system in a way that it was never intended. The Senate was meant to be majority rules except for special issues, where debate was open to all (the fillibuster)..... but when the debate was over, time to vote.
    and we've been richly rewarded for it---most house pickups since 1938, 6 senators, 10 gubs, 693 state reps and 21 state leg's, most in modern history...

    and now this---a house mutiny

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    and we've been richly rewarded for it---most house pickups since 1938, 6 senators, 10 gubs, 693 state reps and 21 state leg's, most in modern history...

    and now this---a house mutiny
    And the country has suffered for it. To the GOP, it's not about governing, it's about winning.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    A win for the good guys...
    Well it's nice to know you see me as a bad guy. I don't have quite as dichotomous a view of the world as you do, but it is always good to know where I stand. I guess I'll go buddy up with Osama and Kim Jong Il and see if I can get my membership card to the Bad Boys Club now.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    This thread reminds me of what hipster dufus used to say.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    From the standpoint of most conservatives what you've posted is true. The issue isn't salient any longer for most conservatives. People can thank conservative LGBT people for socializing conservatives on this question.
    People can thank conservative LGBT people for getting it overturned as well, as the Log Cabin Republicans were the plaintiffs in the lawsuit where it was ruled unconstitutional (which Obama is now appealing). The Log Cabin Republicans have done more for gay rights than Obama has thus far.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And the country has suffered for it.
    the voters are on our side

    george miller and anthony weiner aren't even on obama's

    sorry

    To the GOP, it's not about governing, it's about winning.
    you gotta win to govern

    our caucus did not mutiny against our leadership

    tax cuts will be extended, UE's will be paid for

    stay up
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    People can thank conservative LGBT people for getting it overturned as well, as the Log Cabin Republicans were the plaintiffs in the lawsuit where it was ruled unconstitutional (which Obama is now repealing). The Log Cabin Republicans have done more for gay rights than Obama has thus far.
    No doubt about that. Many LGBTers and sympathizers are really POd at Obama for pursuing as many legal avenues against their rights with regard to military service. There was a quite vocal contingency at another forum to stay home on Nov 2 because of his betrayal of his LGBT campaign "promises".
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