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'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

Who conducted a flawed survey. Meanwhile, you think we should ignore a very legit, professional survey that has opposite findings to your belief.

Kelzie as John McCain and th sailors I talk to said the wrong questions were asked.............
 
THey will never go back to those days, that is not realistic but they sure should keep DADT becasue it works..............

But you want it to go back to those days, explain why you want the military to go back to that policy. Stop avoiding the question.
 
THey will never go back to those days, that is not realistic but they sure should keep DADT becasue it works..............
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Repealing DADT will only cause problems.
 
Kelzie as John McCain and th sailors I talk to said the wrong questions were asked.............

Well you'll be happy to know I'm putting both you and McCain into the same category as the commandant in regards to who is qualified to offer an opinion on the matter.
 
In my 21 years in the Navy I have seen to many cases where gay men aboard ship after 90 days at sea maded unwanted sexual advances against their straight shipmates......I really don't honestly blame them...For them its like a kid in a candy store..I equate it to myself being on a ship with all beautiful women, dressing, sleeping, showering with them...........I doubt if I could control myself...........Its the same thing for gays no matter how much you deny it it happens......I have seen it...........
 
Well you'll be happy to know I'm putting both you and McCain into the same category as the commandant in regards to who is qualified to offer an opinion on the matter.

WE just agree with him
 
But it is broken, and DADT does cause problems.
What problems, keep your sexuality to yourself. Don't gay people want the government to "stay out of the bedroom? (which I agree with btw)." So keep your (meant in the general sense) bedroom out of our military.
 
In my 21 years in the Navy I have seen to many cases where gay men aboard ship after 90 days at sea maded unwanted sexual advances against their straight shipmates......I really don't honestly blame them...For them its like a kid in a candy store..I equate it to myself being on a ship with all beautiful women, dressing, sleeping, showering with them...........I doubt if I could control myself...........Its the same thing for gays no matter how much you deny it it happens......I have seen it...........

I'm gay, I've played on alot of all girl sports teams, and shared locker rooms with my teammates, and have been able to control myself. Most LGBT people can. This is not an issue.
 
In my 21 years in the Navy I have seen to many cases where gay men aboard ship after 90 days at sea maded unwanted sexual advances against their straight shipmates......I really don't honestly blame them...For them its like a kid in a candy store..I equate it to myself being on a ship with all beautiful women, dressing, sleeping, showering with them...........I doubt if I could control myself...........Its the same thing for gays no matter how much you deny it it happens......I have seen it...........

Good thing we can judge an entire group of of people by the actions of a few. :roll:
 
What problems, keep your sexuality to yourself. Don't gay people want the government to "stay out of the bedroom? (which I agree with btw)." So keep your (meant in the general sense) bedroom out of our military.

So you're okay with straight military members being able to take their partners to official military functions, while LGBT soldiers can't? You're okay with a soldier being discharged for dating a partner outside of military life? You're okay with someone not being able to start a family in fear of being discharged from the army? This isn't about not keeping a soldiers sexuality to themselves, it's about being able to live their lives without fear of being discharged. If you truly believed that the government should stay out of our bedrooms, then you would be against DADT, and all laws that distinguish LGBT Americans from heterosexual Americans. Because those laws are nothing but the government intruding into our bedrooms.
 
The point is, it shouldn't have happened at all.

Sexual harrassment shouldn't happen period. I say we ban all straight men from the military, since they're the biggest offenders.
 
When you sign a contract both partys have to live up to it not just the enlistee......The government if breaking their contract with the enlistee........

You know better than that NP. The military can break parts of the contract for many reasons. And, it is not actually in a person's contract that they won't have to work/live with gays.
 
You know better than that NP. The military can break parts of the contract for many reasons. And, it is not actually in a person's contract that they won't have to work/live with gays.

I've said that like 18 times. It doesn't seem to matter.
 
So you're okay with straight military members being able to take their partners to official military functions, while LGBT soldiers can't? You're okay with a soldier being discharged for dating a partner outside of military life? You're okay with someone not being able to start a family in fear of being discharged from the army? This isn't about not keeping a soldiers sexuality to themselves, it's about being able to live their lives without fear of being discharged. If you truly believed that the government should stay out of our bedrooms, then you would be against DADT, and all laws that distinguish LGBT Americans from heterosexual Americans. Because those laws are nothing but the government intruding into our bedrooms.
But it's not true that LGBT soldiers cannot do those things you mention, Star. Isn't the "don't ask" part about not investigating possibly gay soldiers? The military won't look to out you so long as you don't out yourself.
 
But it's not true that LGBT soldiers cannot do those things you mention, Star. Isn't the "don't ask" part about not investigating possibly gay soldiers? The military won't look to out you so long as you don't out yourself.

They can't do these things. If they brought a partner to a military function, they would be outed, if they lived with their partner on base, they would be outed, if they got a marriage(in a state that has SSM) they would be outed. Now I'm sure you would agree that this stuff isn't flaunting one's sexuality, now why should a LGBT soldier be discharged because of these things?
 
What I learned today: being gay means you sexually harassed those around you. Because 90 % of the country is christian(Is it?) that means they all are against DADT and just lied when polled.

Lord knows what I might learn tomorrow. Navy Pride, shipmate, thank you so much for being you. Please don't ever change.
 
Sexual harrassment shouldn't happen period. I say we ban all straight men from the military, since they're the biggest offenders.
Interesting, so would gay service members claim harassment when someone in their barracks tell a gay or dirty joke? I hadn't even considered this possibility before.
 
Interesting, so would gay service members claim harassment when someone in their barracks tell a gay or dirty joke? I hadn't even considered this possibility before.

Well anyone can claim harassment. Most don't.
 
After DADT was redefined and the ban on gays lifted, it would be a regulation against discrimination. Perhaps, apart of the modification of the regulation it could read, "to prevent discrimination...". Would that make you feel better? Or will you only be satisfied when a gay soldier can keep a great big bottle of gay pride pills in his footlocker?

You do realize that discrimination against someone based on their sexuality is already against military rules, right? A person can charge someone for discrimination against a gay person or someone that the charged person may believe is gay. DADT actually has a harmful effect on this rule because if the person who was being discriminated against is found to actually be gay during the investigation of the discrimination charge, that person can be put out under DADT rules. But, the person charged with discrimination could still face punishment if it was also found that he/she really was discriminating against the person based on their sexuality.

And, no, I can't show proof of this on this site, because I read it in our homosexuality policy training that is on NKO, which requires access.
 
But it's not true that LGBT soldiers cannot do those things you mention, Star. Isn't the "don't ask" part about not investigating possibly gay soldiers? The military won't look to out you so long as you don't out yourself.

You are joking right? Are you really that uninformed about this policy?
 
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