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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    No, admitedly, I'm not aware of any studies in that area. I just don't think you can completely dismiss the possibility.

    Let me ask you this, why are openly gay inmates separated from the general population in prison? I don't mean to compare anyone with convicts, I'm just using it as example.
    .... If you're using gay inmates as an example then you've just effectively compared the average heterosexual male in the military to corrupt gang members running prostitution gangs. However to anybody who's been in jail and knows what the military is like, the two are not even remotely comparable in terms of social dynamics or hierarchichal systems.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Still more on the Military Times poll:

    Public opinion pollsters use random selection to survey the general public, whereas the Military Times survey is based on responses from readers who chose to take part. Statistical margins of error commonly reported in opinion surveys cannot be calculated for this survey because those calculations depend on random sampling.
    http://militarytimes.com/webtools/files/methodology.pdf

    Note this is from the Military Times itself.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    More information on the Military Times poll: it starts with questions about sexual harassment by gays, then goes and asks opinions on repealing DADT. That is what is known as a flawed methodology. Self selected from a narrow pool of respondents with a flawed methodology. Not worth much.
    This entire debate isn't worth much but it continues. DADT has to be repealed by Congress and right now that doesn't look likely. So much passion on the part of radicals just like with most other issues including economics. How does this affect the people here. No problem with an opinion but in the end it is up to the Congress and our military. The passion here is fascinating. My bet is this issue doesn't affect one person here. Our military isn't goingto implode regardless of the outcome.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    It really doesn't matter when the poll was taken or even if it was taken, DADT was put into place by Clinton in 1993 and has to be repealed by Congress. I am not in the military but was in the military, military personnel are some of the best people I have ever met and have the greatest respect for all military personnel. They will adapt if that happens but until the Congress repeals it debate on the matter is really irrelevant. I don't think it is going to happen but the passion for the issue really fascinates me especially coming from people here who aren't serving. I respect your position and you certainly have a right to that opinion but it isn't an issue that deserves this much debate. it is what it is until repealed. 36 pages on this topic? I believe the comments in the Military Times poll is accurate, there are a lot of radicals trying to force their agenda on the military and that needs to be taken into consideration.
    There is debate on it because it is an important issue to many people, on both sides.

    And there are radicals on both sides of the issue trying to push their agendas in. This issue is not being pushed by just the radicals however, there are a lot of people like me who just want what is fair. I wouldn't protest the actual military about this, nor would I do anything illegal or stupid for this cause. But I will argue with people all day that DADT is discrimination, intolerance, and unfair. I hate unfairness, plain and simple.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    This entire debate isn't worth much but it continues. DADT has to be repealed by Congress and right now that doesn't look likely. So much passion on the part of radicals just like with most other issues including economics. How does this affect the people here. No problem with an opinion but in the end it is up to the Congress and our military. The passion here is fascinating. My bet is this issue doesn't affect one person here. Our military isn't goingto implode regardless of the outcome.
    Over 60 % of Americans are radicals now? Most of Congress and the military support repeal, and yet it isn't happening. Fascinating that...
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    What undermanned jobs are there that a gay recruit can do better than a straight?
    It doesn't matter whether they're gay or not, the person already in the military already has training. This was the point you missed.


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    The point is that the majority in this country don't believe that this issue is serious enough to warrant a lot of concern. Only a small vocal minority are fighting for this issue and the question is why?


    Very recent. Evidently the majority of this country, infact, well into a supermajority, thinks it's of some concern.

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    If you remove DADT, isn't it possible more openly guy guys will join just to be able to live in close to close proximity to a lot of other men? In that case, incidents like I described could become more common. I don't know, just throwing the possibility out there.
    Change "openly gay guys" to "women". Granted they don't live in the same dorms, but they're still in regular close proximity.

    What exactly makes people think gay soldiers will be constantly hitting on their squad-members? And what makes them think we can't get them for doing that if it happens anyway? Women can't make unwanted sexual advances on male soldiers either.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    There is debate on it because it is an important issue to many people, on both sides.

    And there are radicals on both sides of the issue trying to push their agendas in. This issue is not being pushed by just the radicals however, there are a lot of people like me who just want what is fair. I wouldn't protest the actual military about this, nor would I do anything illegal or stupid for this cause. But I will argue with people all day that DADT is discrimination, intolerance, and unfair. I hate unfairness, plain and simple.
    The military isn't going to implode regardless of the outcome so the passion on both sides IMO is ridiculous. What agenda are the radicals on the right pushing, the law is the law and it has worked for 17 years, why change it. rogue, this has been in place since 1993 so obviously it hasn't hurt anyone so why now?

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There is a serious flaw with the poll. The respondents where self selected from among those who read the Military Times. Just thought you might like to know. It's not a scientific poll.
    In other words, pay no attention to those troops.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    No, admitedly, I'm not aware of any studies in that area. I just don't think you can completely dismiss the possibility.

    Let me ask you this, why are openly gay inmates separated from the general population in prison? I don't mean to compare anyone with convicts, I'm just using it as example.
    I've never been to prison, so I don't know about this policy and if it is in every prison. But, considering it is prison, I'd say it has more to do with the fact that most of the people in there have most likely already demonstrated that they do not have enough self control to prevent them from committing a crime in the first place, so why should we expect them to be able to behave themselves and/or obey prison rules, including ones about forcing others to have sex with them or abusing people who they are intolerant of. Our soldiers, on the other hand, demonstrate on an almost daily basis, for the most part, that most of them are quite capable of following orders and rules, including those against having sex in certain areas and forcing others to do things against their will.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Over 60 % of Americans are radicals now? Most of Congress and the military support repeal, and yet it isn't happening. Fascinating that...
    It has been the law since 1993 so tell me why now there is such passion for repeal? Radical passion is indeed fascinating as there is no personal benefit or harm on either side for most of those with that passion.

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