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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    a 2 year old poll?
    Latest poll out there from Military Times. You have a later Military Poll?

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    I am still waiting for you or anyone else here that isn't in the mlitary to explain why this issue is so important to you. Seems that the military disagrees with you.

    Military Times Poll: Troops Oppose Gay Agenda for the Military - Elaine Donnelly - The Tank on National Review Online
    There is a serious flaw with the poll. The respondents where self selected from among those who read the Military Times. Just thought you might like to know. It's not a scientific poll.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    First of all, that's from last year. The study that was done, that only included those actually in the military, and not those who may have once been in the military, as military times does, or their families showed that the numbers of those who are okay with DADT being repealed are much higher than the results of that poll.

    Also, if someone is that uncomfortable with living with openly gay servicemembers, eventhough they have mostly likely been living with closeted gay servicemembers their entire time in, then they should get out. The military should not be encouraging intolerance, and if that means getting rid of those who would are intolerant of someone because of their sexuality, then they shouldn't be in the military. They can be replaced. There are plenty of people that are lining up to fill in most positions in the military, and it is highly unlikely that those who are saying that they would get out just because they would have to live with openly gay individuals are in those fields that are highly undermanned, since it has been my experience that those people in those fields have much more important things to be concerned with than other people's sexuality.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not likely. First of all, why would they join only when they could be openly gay. They would still be taking a chance of getting the crap beat out of them and/or being killed because someone was not happy about being hit on. How many guys do you think will volunteer for sub duty after they put women on board, just to be able to live in those close quarters with women. Very few, if any, would be my guess.

    You are basing your arguments on what might happen, not what is most likely to happen. Poor way to debate. Do you have any evidence that there are that many gay men or women that would join the military just because they could live more closely with people that they might be attracted to?
    No, admitedly, I'm not aware of any studies in that area. I just don't think you can completely dismiss the possibility.

    Let me ask you this, why are openly gay inmates separated from the general population in prison? I don't mean to compare anyone with convicts, I'm just using it as example.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    America isn't a democracy. We are a representative republic. And if our tax dollars are going to the military, we have a opinion on things like this.
    Well hell, if this is the standard, I definitely have areas where my tax money should earn me a say.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Latest poll out there from Military Times. You have a later Military Poll?

    Military poll shows less opposition to gays serving openly -

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    First of all, that's from last year. The study that was done, that only included those actually in the military, and not those who may have once been in the military, as military times does, or their families showed that the numbers of those who are okay with DADT being repealed are much higher than the results of that poll.

    Also, if someone is that uncomfortable with living with openly gay servicemembers, eventhough they have mostly likely been living with closeted gay servicemembers their entire time in, then they should get out. The military should not be encouraging intolerance, and if that means getting rid of those who would are intolerant of someone because of their sexuality, then they shouldn't be in the military. They can be replaced. There are plenty of people that are lining up to fill in most positions in the military, and it is highly unlikely that those who are saying that they would get out just because they would have to live with openly gay individuals are in those fields that are highly undermanned, since it has been my experience that those people in those fields have much more important things to be concerned with than other people's sexuality.
    It really doesn't matter when the poll was taken or even if it was taken, DADT was put into place by Clinton in 1993 and has to be repealed by Congress. I am not in the military but was in the military, military personnel are some of the best people I have ever met and have the greatest respect for all military personnel. They will adapt if that happens but until the Congress repeals it debate on the matter is really irrelevant. I don't think it is going to happen but the passion for the issue really fascinates me especially coming from people here who aren't serving. I respect your position and you certainly have a right to that opinion but it isn't an issue that deserves this much debate. it is what it is until repealed. 36 pages on this topic? I believe the comments in the Military Times poll is accurate, there are a lot of radicals trying to force their agenda on the military and that needs to be taken into consideration.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Did you read the poll numbers, 51% still is a majority.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well hell, if this is the standard, I definitely have areas where my tax money should earn me a say.
    How cool would that be? This is off topic but - every year we pay our federal taxes, we direct our money where we want - general one's maybe 12 or less. And those that don't get enough funding get downsized and those that do grow. Not all of our tax money, just a portion.

    Hm... sorry for the hijack.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    More information on the Military Times poll: it starts with questions about sexual harassment by gays, then goes and asks opinions on repealing DADT. That is what is known as a flawed methodology. Self selected from a narrow pool of respondents with a flawed methodology. Not worth much.
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    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

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