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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    America is a democracy, the all volunteer military isn't. You don't like the rules, don't enlist.
    Doesn't make it right.

    The military has says removing DADT would not have a negative impact.

    The secretary of the Defence supports that.

    The military through the survey supports that.

    The American people by poll supports that.

    Repeal DADT.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    1. misquotes what Obama said. If you want to discuss what was actually said in the context that it was said then I would be happy to engage in that debate. However, here you are just being blatantly dishonest (should have I expected better?)

    So he didn't say that his grandmothers racism was typical of white people?






    2. Again...taken out of context, that isn't what Biden said, you have phrased it in a dishonest manner to try to prove a point that you couldn't have otherwise proven.
    Try being a little honest and he can discuss it.







    3. As far as Obama's views on marriage, I would put him in the same category as the other bigots that feel the same way. I think that Obama, is bigoted in his view.
    Yet you are almost silent on it, except when prodded. Well kudos for you on this.


    4. Same as #4. I think Obama has argued for a bigoted policy. I would note, however, that Obama spoke out against Prop 8 in California.


    So he's only a little bit of a bigot.



    So when you state you speak out against any and all bigotry, that was the actual lie in our discussion, not that what I posted was dishonest.


    Good, I am glad we cleared that up.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Just more BS. Sure...I think there would be people on both sides trying to manipulate to prove their points.
    Okay, fair point. In either case, repealing DADT seems to be asking for trouble the military just doesn't need.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    For me it's not about winning because winning is hard to do.
    It's about preventing you from winning. That's much easier.
    Those are two very different things.
    If you successfully stop someone from winning, that's a win for you, so, contrary to what you stated, it IS about winning, or having your own way.

    I want what I want when I want it, as opposed to... You'll get what you get when you get it.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    If you remove DADT, isn't it possible more openly guy guys will join just to be able to live in close to close proximity to a lot of other men? In that case, incidents like I described could become more common. I don't know, just throwing the possibility out there.
    Not likely. First of all, why would they join only when they could be openly gay. They would still be taking a chance of getting the crap beat out of them and/or being killed because someone was not happy about being hit on. How many guys do you think will volunteer for sub duty after they put women on board, just to be able to live in those close quarters with women. Very few, if any, would be my guess.

    You are basing your arguments on what might happen, not what is most likely to happen. Poor way to debate. Do you have any evidence that there are that many gay men or women that would join the military just because they could live more closely with people that they might be attracted to?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    America is a democracy, the all volunteer military isn't. You don't like the rules, don't enlist.
    America isn't a democracy. We are a representative republic. And if our tax dollars are going to the military, we have a opinion on things like this.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So he didn't say that his grandmothers racism was typical of white people?
    What he is describing is sociologically verified by evidence. Due to the media and other socializing factors, white people typically hold different views of black people, even if they aren't aware that they do. It has been shown empircally that white psychiatrists are more likely to diagnose black people with a mental illness and to prescribe injection medications which can be administered involuntarily. It has been shown empircally that white judges are more likely to sentence black people and give them harsher sentences. It has been shown empiraclly that white teachers treat black students differently than white students. It isn't "racism" so much as an unconcious response to a group that they have been psychologically primed to view as more threatening.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Unless it affacts every single person, man woman and child of this country in a day to day level... like: Taxes, like HealthCare, it's not an assumption at all, it's a fact.

    "Likely" - I wouldn't say that necessarily, but until your dream comes true, DADT stays, and that's just fine by me.
    Actually, unless there is some huge change in tax policy, the taxes issues doesn't really affect me all that much.

    And, since I am a military spouse, the health care issue doesn't really affect me much either, although I am completely against the Universal Health Insurance.

    In fact, not too much does affect me directly. Indirectly, most things affect me, including DADT and same sex marriage.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    i think his grandmother was a typical white person of her generation. you don't?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Doesn't make it right.

    The military has says removing DADT would not have a negative impact.

    The secretary of the Defence supports that.

    The military through the survey supports that.

    The American people by poll supports that.

    Repeal DADT.
    Latest poll says differently

    Military Times Poll: Troops Oppose Gay Agenda for the Military - Elaine Donnelly - The Tank on National Review Online

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