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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yep, that normally happens in a free society where the majority actually make the laws and since this isn't a democracy the rules are DADT.
    Wait wait wait a second. America isn't a democracy? Excellent, can you stop claiming to spread it then.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    B.S. Unwanted advances by a gay soldier on a straight soldier or a straight soldier on another straight soldier or a gay soldier on a gay soldier should be properly dealt with.
    I'm willing to buy that you believe that now. The reality would be different, though, and straight soldiers would know it (from all the sensitivity training they'd be forced to attend) and would know to either keep quiet or handle it themselves.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Mr. Disney??
    1. misquotes what Obama said. If you want to discuss what was actually said in the context that it was said then I would be happy to engage in that debate. However, here you are just being blatantly dishonest (should have I expected better?)

    2. Again...taken out of context, that isn't what Biden said, you have phrased it in a dishonest manner to try to prove a point that you couldn't have otherwise proven.
    Try being a little honest and he can discuss it.

    3. As far as Obama's views on marriage, I would put him in the same category as the other bigots that feel the same way. I think that Obama, is bigoted in his view.

    4. Same as #4. I think Obama has argued for a bigoted policy. I would note, however, that Obama spoke out against Prop 8 in California.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I'm willing to buy that you believe that now. The reality would be different, though, and straight soldiers would know it (from all the sensitivity training they'd be forced to attend) and would know to either keep quiet or handle it themselves.
    Just more BS. Sure...I think there would be people on both sides trying to manipulate to prove their points.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Wait wait wait a second. America isn't a democracy? Excellent, can you stop claiming to spread it then.
    I wasn't aware America has to be a Democracy for America to want to encourage other countries to be a Democracy. Can you show me where that rule exists please?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I think that's true to a point but taking away the economic issues will still not make this a much bigger issue which touches every single person in America, it would only touch those who are in or are part of an active military family.
    That is quite an assumption. It's seen by many as a civil rights issue. Furthermore, this is being challenged in the courts which likely means that if it wins on appeal and then ties in the Supreme Court, that the policy will be repealed immediately, and the military will have to implement it without any preparation. The legal challenges will bring it to the forefront in the coming two years.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Wait wait wait a second. America isn't a democracy? Excellent, can you stop claiming to spread it then.
    America is a democracy, the all volunteer military isn't. You don't like the rules, don't enlist.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yep, that normally happens in a free society where the majority actually make the laws and since this isn't a democracy the rules are DADT.
    We live in a representative democracy. Those elected officials are who determined that DADT was put into place in the first place. Now, the majority of those officials and the people they represent, want DADT repealed. The minority is using special procedures and other political issues to delay that repeal and what the will of the people is. The military would do this, if we were able to get the minority of the elected officials to change the rule that the military is forced to follow.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Depends on the situation, just like when it comes to women. The rules that are currently in place may not completely take care of all issues, but at least they would be fair. And eventually, the military would figure out the best ways to deal with problems for everyone. And I highly doubt that there will be so many of these incidents that it will be a major problem.
    If you remove DADT, isn't it possible more openly guy guys will join just to be able to live in close to close proximity to a lot of other men? In that case, incidents like I described could become more common. I don't know, just throwing the possibility out there.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    That is quite an assumption. It's seen by many as a civil rights issue.
    Unless it affacts every single person, man woman and child of this country in a day to day level... like: Taxes, like HealthCare, it's not an assumption at all, it's a fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Furthermore, this is being challenged in the courts which likely means that if it wins on appeal and then ties in the Supreme Court, that the policy will be repealed immediately, and the military will have to implement it without any preparation. The legal challenges will bring it to the forefront in the coming two years.
    "Likely" - I wouldn't say that necessarily, but until your dream comes true, DADT stays, and that's just fine by me.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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