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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    he writes "against the homosexuals" and then a smiley.

    Seriously. What is WRONG with these people?



    Freedom is "moral diversity." You heard it here.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Discrimination, hatred and bigotry have been around for a long time in one form or another.
    tell it to obama's base

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    So the military is not meeting its recruiting requirements? Cite your source. DADT is being debated by the civilians and military leadership and isn't going to get repealed. Don't enlist. LBBT is a very, very small percentage in this country so doubt it impacts the military recruiting at all.
    I didn't say that. Please don't pretend that I did. My point was that we dictate to the military who can and cannot enlist. It is not in any sense a military affair to decide on.

    As for the non-bolded: I hate asking what your point is, but you seem to say things that aren't really relevant to whether or not DADT is a justified policy.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    Good point, there is no reason to ask anyone in the military what they think
    Sure there is, to find out where problems with repeal might come from and deal with them before they become major issues. The military members however should not be the only ones deciding whether or not certain people should be allowed to serve with them or to what extent they should be allowed to serve, no more than military members should be asked if they want to go to war or if they want to go out on a mission. They can give input on ways to improve safety and/or success of the mission, but they should do so based on their own experience and knowledge, not biases and fears.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Most people do not care if the military allows gays to serve openly. It generally doesn't affect those people. The specific issue of DADT repeal has never been made an actual ballot issue, so you cannot say that the public votes against it. Gay marriage is not the same issue as DADT. They both discriminate, wrongly, against gays, but many more people are for the repeal of DADT than those who are for allowing gay marriage.
    Yes, this I know.. I am one of those that favors repeal, but my point was to illustrate that Obama and the democrats are political cowards. They're not so sure about what pushing any gay agenda will mean to them at the ballot box, and they also know that the ballot box contains a lot of those black/latino, and white trash votes. Those folks don't generally answer surveys..


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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So the military is not meeting its recruiting requirements? Cite your source. DADT is being debated by the civilians and military leadership and isn't going to get repealed. Don't enlist. LBBT is a very, very small percentage in this country so doubt it impacts the military recruiting at all.
    DADT does impact recruitment and retention in certain, undermanned units/jobs. Those people who are put out due to DADT in those undermanned jobs are hard to replace, especially if the person was a good worker. And it is a waste of money to have to recruit and train new people to replace those discharged because of a discriminatory policy.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Yeah, well that's all well and good ya know, problem is that whenever the question of homosexuality has been put on the ballot, ya know, that's where everyone that has an opinion votes, then the issue of homosexuality has lost.. Lost... Lost! They lose, because those that vote for democrats, 95% black, 80% Latino, and what 80% White trash all happen to have some modicum of family values instilled in them. Enough so, that they'll vote for more welfare, but against the homosexuals everytime.


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    Are you ABSOLUTELY INSANE?

    Firstly, what do you mean when you say "white trash", and how do you track this statistic?

    Secondly. The public opinion polls absolutely couldn't be clearer. Out of Democrats, Liberals, east, postgraduates, those who seldom attend church, moderates, those 18 to 29 years in age, those with some college, independents, women, midwesterners, those 30 to 49 years in age, west, college graduates, those 50 to 64 years in age, those who attend church nearly weekly, men, those over 65 years of age, those with a high school education or less, those who attend church weekly, the south, conservatives, and Republicans....

    Only ONE of those demographics doesn't have a majority in favor of repeal (Republicans). Only 6 (from 65+ years down) don't have a super-majority in favor. This might just be the clearest poll I've ever seen in my life (although I'm sure I could find others).

    The next time you whine about the American people not supporting something I'm linking this thread. You're also getting my vote for the next asshat of the year (sorry adpst). How anyone can POSSIBLY claim the American people wouldn't support this in a vote is entirely beyond me.

    I've officially lost hope in humanity. I'm going to sit under a cold shower for a while.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    I didn't say that. Please don't pretend that I did. My point was that we dictate to the military who can and cannot enlist. It is not in any sense a military affair to decide on.

    As for the non-bolded: I hate asking what your point is, but you seem to say things that aren't really relevant to whether or not DADT is a justified policy.
    then I suggest that you go back and look at what you posted. How is having DADT hurting the military?

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Yes, this I know.. I am one of those that favors repeal, but my point was to illustrate that Obama and the democrats are political cowards. They're not so sure about what pushing any gay agenda will mean to them at the ballot box, and they also know that the ballot box contains a lot of those black/latino, and white trash votes. Those folks don't generally answer surveys..


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    Prove that they don't answer surveys.

    And almost every one of the Dems voted for the repeal, and it is very possible that the one who didn't vote for the bill that the repeal was in, would vote for a standalone repeal bill. So it is not truthful to say that Dems aren't voting for this.

    Obama is not a good president. I have no respect for him, but I also didn't vote for him. But it is not like McCain would have done anything for this cause at all. He is one of the major opponents to it and he has done just as much against DADT repeal as Obama has, probably more.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    DADT does impact recruitment and retention in certain, undermanned units/jobs. Those people who are put out due to DADT in those undermanned jobs are hard to replace, especially if the person was a good worker. And it is a waste of money to have to recruit and train new people to replace those discharged because of a discriminatory policy.
    Sounds a lot like the private business where I assure you that no one is irreplaceable. How long has DADT been in place? Anyone that joins the military does so as a personal choice and isn't forced into service. Calling it discriminatory is certainly an opinion, I call it living by the rules established.

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