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'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

independent_thinker2002 said:
What frustrates me is the Dems play as if it's a gentleman's game and the Reps play as if it's a bloodsport. It's like 20 oz. boxing gloves versus a .50 caliber turret. Even when they have the numbers they wind up losing. It's like the Dems are the Chicago Cubs.
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Why can't they take lessons? I mean, all these years of having the minority Repubs walking all over them should give the Dems plenty of pointers now that they're the minority, right? Ha, ha I jest of course! They're about to become even less relevant than they already were.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
What frustrates me is the Dems play as if it's a gentleman's game and the Reps play as if it's a bloodsport. It's like 20 oz. boxing gloves versus a .50 caliber turret. Even when they have the numbers they wind up losing. It's like the Dems are the Chicago Cubs.
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Apparently the electorate disagreed with you on Nov. 2, so tell us exactly what you saw the last two years that the electorate didn't? It was an historic election due to the Obama agenda getting passed and being such a failure. Everything Obama wanted got passed, Republicans were totally shut out of the negotiations so not sure exactly where you were the past two years but obviously weren't paying attention to what was going on in D.C. What input did the Republicans have on the stimulus plan, healthcare, or any other Obama initiative?
 
Kelzie said:
Why can't they take lessons? I mean, all these years of having the minority Repubs walking all over them should give the Dems plenty of pointers now that they're the minority, right? Ha, ha I jest of course! They're about to become even less relevant than they already were.
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Yep, they are afraid to be called obstructionists when they are in the minority and the GOP wears obstructionist as a badge of honor.
 
Conservative said:
Apparently the electorate disagreed with you on Nov. 2, so tell us exactly what you saw the last two years that the electorate didn't? It was an historic election due to the Obama agenda getting passed and being such a failure. Everything Obama wanted got passed, Republicans were totally shut out of the negotiations so not sure exactly where you were the past two years but obviously weren't paying attention to what was going on in D.C. What input did the Republicans have on the stimulus plan, healthcare, or any other Obama initiative?
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It seems the majority now support allowing gays to serve...So what do you care about the electorate?
 
winston53660 said:
It seems the majority now support allowing gays to serve...So what do you care about the electorate?
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The majority doesn't make the rules for the military, Congress does and right now DADT is a law put into place in 1993 by Bill Clinton and a Democrat Congress.
 
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independent_thinker2002 said:
Yep, they are afraid to be called obstructionists when they are in the minority and the GOP wears obstructionist as a badge of honor.
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Civics doesn't appear to be a strong suit of yours nor is actual history. Democrats had a super majority in the House and huge numbers in the Senate including a filibuster proof Senate for a number of months yet you bought the leftwing rhetoric. Apparently there isn't a lot of non partisan news in Illinois.
 
Conservative said:
The majority don't make the rules for the military, Congress does and right now DADT is a law put into place in 1993 by Bill Clinton and a Democrat Congress.
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:shrug: It's not the worst thing in the world if they don't pass it. The courts will take care of it for them shortly.

Oh and the Democrats in the 90s sucked too.
 
Conservative said:
The majority don't make the rules for the military, Congress does and right now DADT is a law put into place in 1993 by Bill Clinton and a Democrat Congress.
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Great so you support Congress critters going against the will of the people when it suits your purposes.
 
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winston53660 said:
Great so you support Congress critters going against the will of the people when it suits your ideological purposes.
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With 16 million plus unemployed, 3 trillion more added to the debt, I doubt seriously whether this is a huge issue with the majority of the people but could be wrong. If not mistaken this was an issue on Nov. 2 and didn't seem to make much of a difference.
 
Conservative said:
With 16 million plus unemployed, 3 trillion more added to the debt, I doubt seriously whether this is a huge issue with the majority of the people but could be wrong. If not mistaken this was an issue on Nov. 2 and didn't seem to make much of a difference.
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Deflection and dodging.^
 
winston53660 said:
Deflection and dodging.^
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Why is this such a big deal with you? For me I don't care as long as it doesn't result in mass retirements and weaken our military which at this time no one knows. The number one responsibility of the U.S. Govt. is to "Provide for the Common Defense" so as long as this issue doesn't affect our defense, it really isn't on my radar.
 
Conservative said:
Civics doesn't appear to be a strong suit of yours nor is actual history. Democrats had a super majority in the House and huge numbers in the Senate including a filibuster proof Senate for a number of months yet you bought the leftwing rhetoric. Apparently there isn't a lot of non partisan news in Illinois.
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:rofl

You are obviously being dishonest. They were waiting for the Pentagon report. They were being reasonable. Here, I'll provide you a link: Reasonable - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
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You are obviously being dishonest. They were waiting for the Pentagon report. They were being reasonable. Here, I'll provide you a link: Reasonable - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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Anyone else ever notice that the Joint Chiefs drug their feet and played along, as long as they could? Waiting for the inevitable Republican takeover, perhaps? After which, the Chiefs can say, "Aw hell! The Republicans will never repeal DADT! Oh well, we tried, didn't we? *wink wink*".
 
winston53660 said:
Do you support the repeal of DADT.
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No, but I support lifting the ban on gays serving in the military. I believe that DADT should be left in place--at least for the time being--so as to prevent discrimination.

BTW this thread is about DADT not Obamacare.
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You're the one that brought up he will of the people. I was giving you a chance to save your credibility. So, do you support Obamacare? If you do, then you know what that means.
 
apdst said:
No, but I support lifting the ban on gays serving in the military. I believe that DADT should be left in place--at least for the time being--so as to prevent discrimination.



You're the one that brought up he will of the people. I was giving you a chance to save your credibility. So, do you support Obamacare? If you do, then you know what that means.
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I brought it up in the context of the thread. You went to a whole nother place.
 
Conservative said:
The majority doesn't make the rules for the military, Congress does and right now DADT is a law put into place in 1993 by Bill Clinton and a Democrat Congress.
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The will of the people, the will of the people...except when we don't agree with the will of the people.
 
Conservative said:
Civics doesn't appear to be a strong suit of yours nor is actual history. Democrats had a super majority in the House and huge numbers in the Senate including a filibuster proof Senate for a number of months yet you bought the leftwing rhetoric. Apparently there isn't a lot of non partisan news in Illinois.
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Do you think repeating the same refuted arguments will make them right somehow, or people will believe you?
 
Conservative said:
Why is this such a big deal with you? For me I don't care as long as it doesn't result in mass retirements and weaken our military which at this time no one knows. The number one responsibility of the U.S. Govt. is to "Provide for the Common Defense" so as long as this issue doesn't affect our defense, it really isn't on my radar.
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If you don't care, why are you posting so much about it?
 
Conservative said:
Thanks for the definition but that doesn't answer my question, what exactly was it that the Republicans prevented Obama from doing?
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Well, since it cannot get past a republican filibuster, I think that answers your question pretty easily. Democratic mistake was trying to be reasonable on the issue and actually doing the right thing in sending it for a review of the DoD/Pentagon.
 
apdst said:
Anyone else ever notice that the Joint Chiefs drug their feet and played along, as long as they could? Waiting for the inevitable Republican takeover, perhaps? After which, the Chiefs can say, "Aw hell! The Republicans will never repeal DADT! Oh well, we tried, didn't we? *wink wink*".
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You can prove this charge? I am sure you can since you made it. You would never make a wild unsubstantiated charge...
 
Redress said:
The will of the people, the will of the people...except when we don't agree with the will of the people.
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Hey, who knows, it gets reversed and we lose a lot of posters here as I am sure they will willingly join the military to serve this great nation, but I doubt it. Since when did the will of the people matter to liberals? Liberals don't like the will of the people, they go to the courts to get it overturned.
 
Redress said:
You can prove this charge? I am sure you can since you made it. You would never make a wild unsubstantiated charge...
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What does the military actually believe Redress. I never served in the military so I am not going to suggest DADT or its repeal is either good for the military or they support it. Seems silly to get rid of well trained people-especially ones that aren't say sharing a foxhole or submarine bunk with other men. As I believe I noted many many posts ago, our law school had a librarian who had been a top graduate of Annapolis. ONe day we were sitting around shooting the bull and I asked the guy why he left the navy.

He said he got booted for being gay. I didn't know the rules so I said-why? He said "the navy thought I could be blackmailed by being gay" SO I said how can you be blackmailed if you were not hiding it? He said-well that was what I thought too.

after that I sort of figured the rules-especially with out of the closet guys-was stupid. The whole rule-Its also stupid. FOr example, I used to date a bi-sexual woman. She and I remain friendss. at 25-30-when we dated, she was very feminine and only people who were very very close to her knew she was bi. NOw in her mid 40's she is involved in a lesbian domestic relationship. She's also in the army. I am sure that most of those she serves with knows this. But no one asks. What a silly facade.
 
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