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'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

It was an asinine comment on his part. And it is sad that anyone would look at it that way.

I agree; this is what I'd prefer, but it doesn't look like that they're going to budge anytime soon, especially with the election results. At least a lot of the people in congress voted against DADT's repeal due to some conviction over it, but Obama has stated his support for repeal several times. Why doesn't he just do it?
 
I am just glad its over and morale and troop readiness will not be affected.........

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Over. Right. Oh Navy, you're so adorable.
 
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Over. Right. Oh Navy, you're so adorable.
I'm 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% sure we'll hear about this being brought up in congress at some point in the future...From one angle or another...
 
Remember when 51% was a majority and votes actually happened, instead of these lame "intent to filibuster" votes? I mean, 57 of 100 support this. There's a clear majority. But apparently that's not good enough, ever since the anti-equal rights camp decided that every single bill is filibustered by default and these frail old men ensured that they didn't have to actually speak. The whole tactic is the mark of a coward.

So you admit that everytime the dems filibuster when republicans were in control back in 1994-2006 they and everyone that supported them filibustering were cowards. Thanks for clearly that up. BTW, how many times did you support the dems during this time?
 
So you admit that everytime the dems filibuster when republicans were in control back in 1994-2006 they and everyone that supported them filibustering were cowards. Thanks for clearly that up. BTW, how many times did you support the dems during this time?

Do you disagree that the filibuster has become overused due to lack of consequences/publicity on part of the senators that do it? Ignoring party lines here, I mean.
 
So you admit that everytime the dems filibuster when republicans were in control back in 1994-2006 they and everyone that supported them filibustering were cowards. Thanks for clearly that up. BTW, how many times did you support the dems during this time?

The objection is not to the idea of fillibuster, after all, the Senate is intented as the deliberative body of Congress. The problem is the indiscriminate use of the fillibuster. Though fillibusters have been on the rise since the rules were relaxed, the Repubicans have abused the system in a way that it was never intended. The Senate was meant to be majority rules except for special issues, where debate was open to all (the fillibuster)..... but when the debate was over, time to vote.



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the Regressives simply have abused the system
 
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Read some news. Collins and Lieberman are reintroducing a stand alone bill.

get real

The Senate this afternoon killed on a procedural motion, 57 to 40, a bill containing repeal of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell ban on gays in the military. The vote is a blow to President Obama, who personally phoned Republican Senators urging repeal. The vote fell three short of the 60 needed to move ahead on the defense authorization bill, which contained the repeal, and may kill, possibly for years, legislative repeal of the 17-year-old ban. Efforts are underway to revive repeal as a stand-alone bill, but that faces even tougher odds, with just over a week left before this Congress adjourns. Defense Secretary Robert Gates and top Pentagon brass had all strenuously urged repeal during the lameduck session of Congress.

Senate majority leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., called up the defense bill knowing it would fail. Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine rushed to the Senate floor moments before the vote, accusing Reid of sabotaging their negotiations. "There was such a clear path for us to be able to get this bill done and I am perplexed and frustrated that this important bill is going to become a victim of politics," Collins said. "Sen. Lieberman and I have been bargaining in good faith with the majority leader." Collins said she thought she and Sen. Joe Lieberman,I-Conn.,who had been championing repeal, had an agreement to allow a debate with 10 GOP amendments and 5 Democratic amendments. Collins supports repeal, and supporters hoped that an agreement on the parameters of debate would brought (sic) along enough other Republicans to repeal the ban. Reid accused Republicans of moving the goal posts during negotiations.

The defense bill is probably dead for this session of Congress, the first time a defense bill has failed to move in 48 years.

Just after the vote, Collins and Lieberman said they would move to bring up repeal on its own and had Reid's support. But that too would be vulnerable to procedural roadblocks and is seen as a last-ditch effort.

Recently, Republicans had insisted that their deal with President Obama on tax cuts be resolved before proceeding to any other business, including the defense bill.

Repeal of Don't Ask had passed the House earlier this year, but Republican leaders who will assume control of the House in January have made clear they have no intention of bringing up repeal when they take control.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell repeal implodes in Senate : SFGate: Politics Blog

truth is, this thing with competent management could have moved

truth is, and this is gonna hurt, anything leadership today pushes is pretty much dead simply because it's leadership that's pushing it

reid is as clumsy, maladroit as the president

you guys really needed to replace pelosi, big mistake

the bosses of the new gop have made it quite clear---we will allow literally nothing until you guys get your stuff together and fulfill your exigent responsibilities---the 2011 income tax

the mutiny this morning in the house by what almost by definition qualifies as an extremist progressivism prevents all that

and, unlike you guys, we actually know what we're doing and mean what we say

that means, dream, dadt, start...

we will give you nothing until the taxes are done

no matter how you react to our principled position, we will maintain our professionalism

unlike the george millers and anthony weiners who this morning cheerled outraged chants of "just say no!" and "no, we can't!"

your caucus was throwing chairs against walls, according to howard fineman on msnbc

biden was obscenely bitched out

halperin of time and msnbc wrote of the "democrat's nervous breakdown"

the 2011 tax is now...

well, it's OUR move now

the extension of unemployment benefits, too, maybe to include the 99er's or maybe not, which will CERTAINLY be paid for

first thing on boehner's blueprint

try to see what's clearly coming

then to the senate, with 6 more R's, where manchin, webb, lieberman, nelson, nelson, conrad, baucus and probably a few others are waiting

then to obama's desk

and fast

obama's already on record---"it's the right thing to do"

"for the middle class, for jobs, for the economy, for business"

now, on dadt obama can act unilaterally, but i personally cannot see him expending such capital for a constituency he frankly just doesn't care that much about

here's where some people go to start to get back their self respect:

Out-Serve, a network of active gay, lesbian and bisexual troops, issued a statement calling the defeat "heartbreaking and demoralizing" for troops who "who must continue to serve in silence and live a lie. No words can describe how it felt to watch our U.S. senators uphold discrimination and perpetuate the deceit and compromised integrity that consistently result under 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell.' We had more faith in our elected officials to heed the advice of military leadership and vote against prejudice. Instead, a minority of senators have successfully blockaded the entire defense spending bill on the basis of prejudice and politics. This was nothing short of turning their backs on the people that defend this country."

by the way, closing gitmo was dealt its "death blow" yesterday

House acts to block closing of Gitmo - Washington Times

sorry
 
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LGBT people aren't the bad guys at all. They made the mistake of gambling on Obama caring about their issues. They were unwise.

Ah yes, because a gamble on McCain would have been all the wiser.
 
the Repubicans have abused the system in a way that it was never intended. The Senate was meant to be majority rules except for special issues, where debate was open to all (the fillibuster)..... but when the debate was over, time to vote.

and we've been richly rewarded for it---most house pickups since 1938, 6 senators, 10 gubs, 693 state reps and 21 state leg's, most in modern history...

and now this---a house mutiny
 
and we've been richly rewarded for it---most house pickups since 1938, 6 senators, 10 gubs, 693 state reps and 21 state leg's, most in modern history...

and now this---a house mutiny

And the country has suffered for it. To the GOP, it's not about governing, it's about winning.
 
A win for the good guys...

Well it's nice to know you see me as a bad guy. I don't have quite as dichotomous a view of the world as you do, but it is always good to know where I stand. I guess I'll go buddy up with Osama and Kim Jong Il and see if I can get my membership card to the Bad Boys Club now.
 
This thread reminds me of what hipster dufus used to say.
 
From the standpoint of most conservatives what you've posted is true. The issue isn't salient any longer for most conservatives. People can thank conservative LGBT people for socializing conservatives on this question.

People can thank conservative LGBT people for getting it overturned as well, as the Log Cabin Republicans were the plaintiffs in the lawsuit where it was ruled unconstitutional (which Obama is now appealing). The Log Cabin Republicans have done more for gay rights than Obama has thus far.
 
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And the country has suffered for it.

the voters are on our side

george miller and anthony weiner aren't even on obama's

sorry

To the GOP, it's not about governing, it's about winning.

you gotta win to govern

our caucus did not mutiny against our leadership

tax cuts will be extended, UE's will be paid for

stay up
 
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People can thank conservative LGBT people for getting it overturned as well, as the Log Cabin Republicans were the plaintiffs in the lawsuit where it was ruled unconstitutional (which Obama is now repealing). The Log Cabin Republicans have done more for gay rights than Obama has thus far.

No doubt about that. Many LGBTers and sympathizers are really POd at Obama for pursuing as many legal avenues against their rights with regard to military service. There was a quite vocal contingency at another forum to stay home on Nov 2 because of his betrayal of his LGBT campaign "promises".
 
The Log Cabin Republicans have done more for gay rights than Obama has thus far.

absolutely true

Justice department appeals judge’s ‘don’t-ask-don’t-tell’ ruling – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

it is not spin to observe that obama simply does not care very much about gay issues

we've seen how determinedly he chases what he craves, health care, reg reform, start

other examples which revealingly paint obama's character include the mosque, reaching out to iran, closing gitmo, moving ksm to manhattan, suing arizona...

it is not spin to observe the things obama holds high priority for

and gays has never been one of em

know the man

sorry
 
the voters are on our side

george miller and anthony wiener aren't even on obama's

sorry



you gotta win to govern

our caucus did not mutiny against our leadership

tax cuts will be extended, UE's will be paid for

stay up

Your party is more of a group think publicly. It's the 11th Commandment.
 
There was a quite vocal contingency at another forum to stay home on Nov 2 because of his betrayal of his LGBT campaign "promises".

i always felt this forum seemed relatively unaware of that movement, certainly personified and expressed by leadership in the activist community

i've been much more in touch, for instance, with that particular sentiment than dadt supporters near us, and i've tried to point it out to em

i sympathize sincerely with the deep heartbreak i know they feel

this forum has really taught me how deeply a very significant portion of progressivism FEELS about this

it's almost but not quite as intense as the way ABORTION has always pulled on my side

and it's not just gays, not at all, this forum has showed me

it is, i feel, kind of a youth constituency, which of course should be respected, not discounted for their youth

we all envy their youth

but around here, i feel, eyes will be opened

it will hurt, but it's very, very good for these people, they need to see

stay up, everyone, do not lose your dignity, not a drop, over this

you will kill your cause if you do
 
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Your party is more of a group think publicly. It's the 11th Commandment.

tell it to miller and murkowski, odonnell and rove, demint and mcconnell...

but we largely maintain our professionalism
 
tell it to miller and murkowski, odonnell and rove, demint and mcconnell...

but we largely maintain our professionalism

Tell it to Cheney.
 
I believe gays in the military will have a detrimental effect. They are incapable of combat.
 
Gay people just aren't meant to fight.

How they exist is a mystery to me.

How could you not like women if you're a guy?

Either your a liberal trying to make conservatives look bad or you are truly a homophobic bigot (and I cannot believe I just said that :shock:)

Do you have any facts to back up your belief aside from slandering homosexuals?
 
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