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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Do you really think the ban on gays hasn't been lifted? Despite all the headlines and the brouhaha? That sounds a little desperate.
    It's a lot desperate. The DoD issues those directives, not congress, and since the legal basis for section 8 of 1332 is being struck, section 8 will be modified heavily(again) or removed.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Do you really think the ban on gays hasn't been lifted? Despite all the headlines and the brouhaha? That sounds a little desperate.
    No, I don't. I've seen nothing, yet, that shows that DD1332 was ever withdrawn.

    Not to mention, Article 125 of the UCMJ, is still in place. Soldiers who openly discuss committing sodomy can be subject to a court martial, under that article.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, I don't. I've seen nothing, yet, that shows that DD1332 was ever withdrawn.

    Not to mention, Article 125 of the UCMJ, is still in place. Soldiers who openly discuss committing sodomy can be subject to a court martial, under that article.
    Which will be part of the DoD's implementation of these rules.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Actually, they can.

    If a division commander can order that members of his division are forbidden to engage in PDA, even while off duty and off post, they can regulate what soldiers are allowed to discuss, while on duty and within the unit's operational area. The same way that a soldier can't talk about he went to a really cool Klan rally over the weekend.
    a) I specifically mentioned off-duty. b) If a person already knows about everyone else's sexuality, then it wouldn't be a DADT rule at all. It would be a don't talk about your personal life while you're supposed to be doing your job. Which is completely reasonable, but not what you have been suggesting.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, I don't. I've seen nothing, yet, that shows that DD1332 was ever withdrawn.

    Not to mention, Article 125 of the UCMJ, is still in place. Soldiers who openly discuss committing sodomy can be subject to a court martial, under that article.
    And, the repeal speaks of changing any rules of the military that are necessary to implement the change. That should mean getting rid of the sodomy rule, but even if it doesn't, sodomy requires much more proof to prosecute than DADT.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And, the repeal speaks of changing any rules of the military that are necessary to implement the change. That should mean getting rid of the sodomy rule, but even if it doesn't, sodomy requires much more proof to prosecute than DADT.
    You would be referring to this:

    (B) That the Department of Defense has prepared the necessary policies and regulations to exercise the discretion provided by the amendments made by subsection (f).

    (C) That the implementation of necessary policies and regulations pursuant to the discretion provided by the amendments made by subsection (f) is consistent with the standards of military readiness, military effectiveness, unit cohesion, and recruiting and retention of the Armed Forces.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Which will be part of the DoD's implementation of these rules.
    We'll see.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    a) I specifically mentioned off-duty. b) If a person already knows about everyone else's sexuality, then it wouldn't be a DADT rule at all. It would be a don't talk about your personal life while you're supposed to be doing your job. Which is completely reasonable, but not what you have been suggesting.
    No, you said, "...even while in the field", and that's the part I highlighted.

    I think it's obvious to everyone that the military can't impose rules that restrict speech while off post.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You would be referring to this:



    B) That the Department of Defense has prepared the necessary policies and regulations to exercise the discretion provided by the amendments made by subsection (f).

    (C) That the implementation of necessary policies and regulations pursuant to the discretion provided by the amendments made by subsection (f) is consistent with the standards of military readiness, military effectiveness, unit cohesion, and recruiting and retention of the Armed Forces.
    Leaves alotta room to play with. What, "discretions", could they be speaking of?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, I don't. I've seen nothing, yet, that shows that DD1332 was ever withdrawn.

    Not to mention, Article 125 of the UCMJ, is still in place. Soldiers who openly discuss committing sodomy can be subject to a court martial, under that article.
    Thats being changed along with the end of DADT

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