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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    If that was the policy for heterosexuals as well, you would have a point.
    I think it very well should be and I'm not convinced that it won't be, by the orders of individual commands.

    I want nothing but the very best for our service members. If totally unrestricted service for gays is what's best, then I hope it works. Pesonally, I expect there to be housing issues, restrictions on gays serving in combat arms units, especially in the Army and Marine Corps and that unrestricted gay service isn't going to take effect for a few years.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I have linked each of the versions that have been voted on, and all do remove the ban of gays in the military. Bill Text - 111th Congress (2009-2010) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
    Except, that the actual defense directive that bans gays in the military was never lifted.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Except, that the actual defense directive that bans gays in the military was never lifted.
    I just linked where it was. Did you miss "striking section 654". That is the ban on gays.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think it very well should be and I'm not convinced that it won't be, by the orders of individual commands.

    I want nothing but the very best for our service members. If totally unrestricted service for gays is what's best, then I hope it works. Pesonally, I expect there to be housing issues, restrictions on gays serving in combat arms units, especially in the Army and Marine Corps and that unrestricted gay service isn't going to take effect for a few years.
    They cannot make legal orders that ban members from talking about their significant others on their off-time, even while in the field. Military or not, COs cannot legally say that their troops cannot talk about who they are dating when they are on liberty. Not to mention, this wouldn't work anyway. There is very little chance that such an order would be followed, especially while units are home. Married men/women would not be able to invite any other servicemembers over to their house (and really not be able to mention that they lived in base housing at all, since that would prove that they were married, to someone of the opposite sex, since with DOMA in place, same sex marriages aren't recognized yet). The same thing would be true for any other servicemember living with another person that they are in a relationship with. Plus, it wouldn't be practical to allow servicemembers to go out together, since one of them might start hitting on someone out in front of their fellow servicemembers. God forbid they want to take their girlfriend out on a date or go out dancing with their boyfriend. They may run into someone from their unit and violate orders about revealing relationships.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I just linked where it was. Did you miss "striking section 654". That is the ban on gays.
    The ban on gays is Defense Directive 1332. That hasn't been lifted.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The ban on gays is Defense Directive 1332. That hasn't been lifted.
    Somehow I don't think Congress and the media missed that.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They cannot make legal orders that ban members from talking about their significant others on their off-time, even while in the field. Military or not, COs cannot legally say that their troops cannot talk about who they are dating when they are on liberty. Not to mention, this wouldn't work anyway. There is very little chance that such an order would be followed, especially while units are home. Married men/women would not be able to invite any other servicemembers over to their house (and really not be able to mention that they lived in base housing at all, since that would prove that they were married, to someone of the opposite sex, since with DOMA in place, same sex marriages aren't recognized yet). The same thing would be true for any other servicemember living with another person that they are in a relationship with. Plus, it wouldn't be practical to allow servicemembers to go out together, since one of them might start hitting on someone out in front of their fellow servicemembers. God forbid they want to take their girlfriend out on a date or go out dancing with their boyfriend. They may run into someone from their unit and violate orders about revealing relationships.
    Actually, they can.

    If a division commander can order that members of his division are forbidden to engage in PDA, even while off duty and off post, they can regulate what soldiers are allowed to discuss, while on duty and within the unit's operational area. The same way that a soldier can't talk about he went to a really cool Klan rally over the weekend.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Somehow I don't think Congress and the media missed that.
    Please, don't tell me that you would be surprised if Congress and the media missed it. Are we talking about the same media that doesn't know the difference between an assault rifle and a squirrel rifle?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The ban on gays is Defense Directive 1332. That hasn't been lifted.
    Congress does not make Defense Directives. Things like that are why the repeal does not take effect immediately. it will simply be modified like it frequently is(last change March 29 2010). In point of fact, section 8 was heavily changed with the change in March of this year. Since the policy is based on Title 10, it will go away.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Please, don't tell me that you would be surprised if Congress and the media missed it. Are we talking about the same media that doesn't know the difference between an assault rifle and a squirrel rifle?
    Do you really think the ban on gays hasn't been lifted? Despite all the headlines and the brouhaha? That sounds a little desperate.
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