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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Look, Redress, I get how untenable my feelings are about possibly getting hit on by a gay guy, to you and others. I'm not even really trying to defend it. I'm just trying to put myself in the position of our 18 to 22 year old troops and look at this honestly. I think gays are probably as competent soldiers as straights and I would never condone physically assaulting a service member just for being gay, however we have to deal in what's real here and I do think it's interesting that nobody here is willing to assure me that instances of same sex propositioning (if you will) will not increase if DADT is repealed. Instead, you all are essentially telling me it's ok if it does. Do you all really not see the potential for trouble?
    You just don't seem to be able to accept that there are people who are giving you their first hand experience with those 18-22 year old troops who have been able to work just fine with gays. Some straight soldiers/marines/sailors have even been hit on by gay men and been able to turn them down with no violence, not even making a big deal about it (my husband laughs about his experiences).

    There will most likely be some issues. However, these will most likely not be huge issues. It is very important that the leadership is willing to step up and make sure that all military rules are enforced quickly and fairly. This is probably the most important thing that needs to happen when DADT is repealed, and it is very doable now.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Do you have evidence that I am in the small minority?
    You made the initial claim. It's on you to support it. On my side I have the DoD report and the RAND report.

    I doubt the US is going to reverse policy based on your betting that everything will just be fine.
    No, they are going to reverse policy based on mountains of data that they have accumulated.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Civilians.

    Civilians want it, elect leaders who are put in charge of the militery, so the military has to change so that the civilian leadership retains a voting block.
    Adm. Mullen is a civilian? The things you learn...
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Look, Redress, I get how untenable my feelings are about possibly getting hit on by a gay guy, to you and others. I'm not even really trying to defend it. I'm just trying to put myself in the position of our 18 to 22 year old troops and look at this honestly. I think gays are probably as competent soldiers as straights and I would never condone physically assaulting a service member just for being gay, however we have to deal in what's real here and I do think it's interesting that nobody here is willing to assure me that instances of same sex propositioning (if you will) will not increase if DADT is repealed. Instead, you all are essentially telling me it's ok if it does. Do you all really not see the potential for trouble?
    I think most 18-22 year olds can handle it. There is no evidence they cannot.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    How exciting. Tomorrow could be the day that DADT is repealed. It'll either be a historic day or a day that rivals Prop 8 as one of the greatest set backs to the gay rights movement.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I think most 18-22 year olds can handle it. There is no evidence they cannot.
    Handling it is different than embracing it. I thought I heard where those who actually serve in combat roles oppose repeal most. Why is that do you think?

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Handling it is different than embracing it. I thought I heard where those who actually serve in combat roles oppose repeal most. Why is that do you think?
    They are the ones who are instilled the most with how important morale and discipline are to their jobs, but on top of that, they are also the ones "taught" the most about how if gays serve openly (or at all, in some cases) then it will negatively affect morale and discipline. Most have admitted that they have never actually served with an openly gay person or even someone that they believed to be gay. So most are just going with what they were "taught" or believe, even with no actual experience to support this.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Handling it is different than embracing it. I thought I heard where those who actually serve in combat roles oppose repeal most. Why is that do you think?
    They don't have to embrace it. They merely have to handle it.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Adm. Mullen is a civilian? The things you learn...
    Mullen is the entire voting public? Wow, the things you learn in deed.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Mullen is the entire voting public? Wow, the things you learn in deed.
    You said that civilians wanted it. I pointed out just one noncivilian who wants it. Now they are going to get it.
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