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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am not wrong. The military does not look into people's sexuality(In theory anyway, DADT is enforced unevenly...this is the "don't ask" part), they are discharged for doing something that is considered a "tell".
    read the regulations and show where it says that soldiers are discharged for telling. You're a stickler for proof, start by providing you own. Good luck with that.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There is no need for safeguards to be in place that aren't there already. There are already enough rules in place to affectively eliminate most incidents. And, as Redress has stated many times, after that it is up to the chain of command to quickly, effectively, and fairly deal with any problems than may arise. No need for extra, unnecessary regulations.
    Care to post those regulations for us?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Revised history does.
    Actual history! Countries that have allowed openly gay people to serve have had minimal issues.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

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    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actual history! Countries that have allowed openly gay people to serve have had minimal issues.
    Obviously, that isn't the case, as I showed earlier.

    Got those regs for us, yet?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, let's. All I have to say to that, is: It is for everyone who violates the regulations. the regulations are in place for a reason and you do not get to pick and chose which ones to follow and which ones to ignore.

    The logic being, if I can't expect you to be disciplined enough to do something simple, like not wear your uniform to a political rally, how am I supposed to expect you to be disciplined enough to do something hard, like lay your life on the line for your comrades?
    So you are saying that it is acceptable to hack someones email, it doesn't count as asking, to figure out if they are Jewish/Gay?
    "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it." -John Adams

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    read the regulations and show where it says that soldiers are discharged for telling. You're a stickler for proof, start by providing you own. Good luck with that.
    http://www.sldn.org/page/-/Website/T...%20Statute.pdf

    (b) Policy. - A member of the armed forces shall be separated from the armed
    forces under regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Defense if one or more of the
    following findings is made and approved in accordance with procedures set forth in such
    regulations:
    (1) That the member has engaged in, attempted to engage in, or solicited
    another to engage in a homosexual act or acts unless there are further findings,
    made and approved in accordance with procedures set forth in such regulations,
    that the member has demonstrated that --
    (A) such conduct is a departure from the memberís usual and
    customary behavior;
    (B) such conduct, under all the circumstances, is unlikely to recur;
    (C) such conduct was not accomplished by use of force, coercion,
    or intimidation;
    (D) under the particular circumstances of the case, the memberís
    continued presence in the armed forces is consistent with the interests of
    the armed forces in proper discipline, _ good order, and morale; and
    (E) the member does not have a propensity or intent to engage in
    homosexual acts.
    (2) That the member has stated that he or she is a homosexual or bisexual,
    or words to that effect, unless there is a further finding, made and approved in
    accordance with procedures set forth in the regulations, that the member has
    demonstrated that he or she is not a person who engages in, attempts to engage in,
    has a propensity to engage in, or intends to engage in homosexual acts.
    (3) That the member has married or attempted to marry a person known to
    be of the same biological sex.
    Sorry for the crappy formatting, it's a pdf and I am not going back over the whole thing and removing line breaks. Note number 2 and 3. 2 is the one that almost all DADT discharges come from, since 1 is hard to prove and 3 is rare.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by qwertyuiop View Post
    So you are saying that it is acceptable to hack someones email, it doesn't count as asking, to figure out if they are Jewish/Gay?
    What the hell are you even talking about, cuz?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Obviously, that isn't the case, as I showed earlier.

    Got those regs for us, yet?
    Actually, you seem to have failed to notice that I showed your first example was not what you claimed, and your second was completely false.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    http://www.sldn.org/page/-/Website/T...%20Statute.pdf



    Sorry for the crappy formatting, it's a pdf and I am not going back over the whole thing and removing line breaks. Note number 2 and 3. 2 is the one that almost all DADT discharges come from, since 1 is hard to prove and 3 is rare.
    Why not post the rest of it, so those not familiar with the information can see what it really says.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    Even your fellow lefties are tired of the same old crap you spew....Thank you Redress

    I like your posts I also like Redress' posts.

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