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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hence the neccissity for DADT to remain in place and do away with the ban on gays.



    It'll happen unofficially. Like it or not, local commanders will institute their own watered down version of DADT, in the attempt to prevent discrimination. It'll be issued as a standing order, by the division commander and violation of that order will make a soldier subject to Article 192 of the UCMJ.
    Not likely. Such orders would be deemed unlawful orders. There is no way that those military CO would be able to legally forbid their unit members from talking about their husbands/girlfriends/wives/boyfriends/whatever while those soldiers are off duty. It would be an unlawful order. They could order that no one talks about their private lives while on duty, but not off duty. They would essentially also have to ban their unit members from going out together and/or to houses of anyone who had a wife/girlfriend/significant other. It wouldn't fly, no matter how much you want it to.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not likely. Such orders would be deemed unlawful orders. There is no way that those military CO would be able to legally forbid their unit members from talking about their husbands/girlfriends/wives/boyfriends/whatever while those soldiers are off duty. It would be an unlawful order. They could order that no one talks about their private lives while on duty, but not off duty. They would essentially also have to ban their unit members from going out together and/or to houses of anyone who had a wife/girlfriend/significant other. It wouldn't fly, no matter how much you want it to.

    Actually, I'm curious what apdst would think an appropriate punishment would be for violating DADT under his compromise plan.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Good for you. Which infantry unit are you in, BTW?
    Hey apdst! You know what would be nice? If you answer my question. If there was a rule that there couldn't be Jews in the military, would you support because "rules are rules, and you can't pick and chose" and if someone was protesting in uniform, would you say they should be kicked out? Or is that only for gays?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Good for you. Which infantry unit are you in, BTW?
    It doesn't matter. You have no proof that gays serving openly will negatively affect combat units any more than it would affect any other unit in the military. Gays have been serving in combat units for a long time and will always serve in combat units, just like support units.

    Also, my husband has seen combat. He doesn't agree that it will cost any lives, although he is uncomfortable with the idea of gays serving openly. We have talked about this issue, more than he would ever like.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Under DADT, they do not get discharged for being gay, they get discharged for violating DADT, ie telling.
    OMG!!! You people really are unaware of what the regulations really say!

    If there's no ban on gays, why do the regulations explicitly ban homosexual conduct?

    AR 600-20 states,

    (b) A basis for discharge exists if—
    1. The Soldier has engaged in, attempted to engage in, or solicited another to engage in a homosexual act or acts.
    Homosexual activity is forbidden under DOD Directive 1332.14
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by qwertyuiop View Post
    Hey apdst! You know what would be nice? If you answer my question. If there was a rule that there couldn't be Jews in the military, would you support because "rules are rules, and you can't pick and chose" and if someone was protesting in uniform, would you say they should be kicked out? Or is that only for gays?
    I'll answer it for him cause I agree. They should be punished in accordance with military law. I don't know if the current punishment is a discharge, but whatever it is, I'm okay with it. Our military should never be involved in politics. That's how coups start.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    OMG!!! You people really are unaware of what the regulations really say!

    If there's no ban on gays, why do the regulations explicitly ban homosexual conduct?

    AR 600-20 states,



    Homosexual activity is forbidden under DOD Directive 1332.14
    This is ridiculous. Answer the question.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It doesn't matter. You have no proof that gays serving openly will negatively affect combat units any more than it would affect any other unit in the military. Gays have been serving in combat units for a long time and will always serve in combat units, just like support units.

    Also, my husband has seen combat. He doesn't agree that it will cost any lives, although he is uncomfortable with the idea of gays serving openly. We have talked about this issue, more than he would ever like.
    And, you have no proof that it won't. The difference being, that if I'm wrong, nothing happens. If you're wrong, people die.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by qwertyuiop View Post
    This is ridiculous. Answer the question.
    I just did.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, you have no proof that it won't. The difference being, that if I'm wrong, nothing happens. If you're wrong, people die.
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