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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Nowhere does it say you cannot shower or billet with some one you are attracted to. Try again.
    Gender segregated barracks are in accordance with the sexual harassment policy. You should already know that, petty officer.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    So, you're saying that there's no way that a gay soldier could sexually harass another soldier?
    Wow, that is not even remotely like what he said.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you're saying that there's no way that a gay soldier could sexually harass another soldier?
    You have the worst reading comprehension ever.

    No, that is not what I am saying. What does them being openly gay do that would make them more likely to sexually harass another soldier?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    Gender segregated barracks are in accordance with the sexual harassment policy. You should already know that, petty officer.
    Barracks and billets not mentioned at all in the document you linked. Please try again. How about a quote with a section number?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And, as I've said before, there must be some proof that putting gays and straights together will cause massive issues/problems with sexual harassment. You have yet to show that this will happen. In fact, I have provided anecdotal evidence that it hasn't happened in units where gays were serving openly.

    First of all, I specifically stated in what you posted that the military most likely wouldn't reverse its policy on separating genders. This doesn't mean that they legally couldn't. It means that the military can see that there would be a huge amount of issues that would arise from having men and women sleep/shower together. However, gay men and straight men and gay women and straight women already do sleep/shower together. The only difference with a repeal of DADT is that some people will find out that some of those men and women that they were showering/sleeping with are gay. This will have little affect, if any, on how those who are openly gay act around others in their units. It may have some affect on how some soldiers view those who have revealed themselves to be gay, but those issues can be dealt with by other rules already in the military.

    And why do you keep insisting that I ask my brother or husband these questions? I have served time in the Navy. And, I know how things work. Also, my brother probably knows more about this issue than you could ever imagine. He is a heterosexual crossdresser. While in the Army, he told us that he wanted a sex change. He hid that part of his life from most everyone he worked with because many people believe that all crossdressers are gay.
    Common sense? Hence the reason that males and females aren't allowed to billet together. Wouldn't common sense indicate that males and females billetting together would cause more sexual harassment incidents. Yes?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you're saying that there's no way that a gay soldier could sexually harass another soldier?
    There's ways that straight men could sexually harass women while in the military, and they don't live together. There are sexual harassment rules in the military to deal with these things.

    Also, are you saying that gays are the only soldiers capable of harassing other soldiers that they live with? Do you somehow think that nerdy soldiers aren't harassed for being nerdy? Do you think that black soldiers aren't harassed by some for being black? Do you think that non-Christian soldiers aren't harassed for not being Christian?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    You have the worst reading comprehension ever.

    No, that is not what I am saying. What does them being openly gay do that would make them more likely to sexually harass another soldier?
    I enver said that a gay soldier would be more likely to sexually harass another soldier.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There's ways that straight men could sexually harass women while in the military, and they don't live together. There are sexual harassment rules in the military to deal with these things.

    Also, are you saying that gays are the only soldiers capable of harassing other soldiers that they live with? Do you somehow think that nerdy soldiers aren't harassed for being nerdy? Do you think that black soldiers aren't harassed by some for being black? Do you think that non-Christian soldiers aren't harassed for not being Christian?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Common sense? Hence the reason that males and females aren't allowed to billet together. Wouldn't common sense indicate that males and females billetting together would cause more sexual harassment incidents. Yes?
    Did you know that the navy at least has coed barracks? Not the same room, but the same barracks.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Common sense? Hence the reason that males and females aren't allowed to billet together. Wouldn't common sense indicate that males and females billetting together would cause more sexual harassment incidents. Yes?
    It would cause all kinds of issues, the least of which would be sexual harassment. I'd be more worried about actual sexual assaults. And, I'd be more worried about mutual attractions leading to sex in the berthings, which could easily lead to pregnancies.

    Gay men and straight men live together now. Gay women and straight women live together now. Men and women have never shared berthing spaces in the military. And most men and women have never shared such spaces in civilian public establishments/jobs either. They have however, most likely shared those spaces with gays in civilian life.
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