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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    DADT doesn't prevent anyone from serving in the military. If you don't want to live and "play" by the rules of the military, don't enlist. It is a law on the books for 17 years passed by a Democrat Congress,signed by Clinton, Clinton for two terms, Bush for two terms, and Obama for two years didn't seem to have a problem with it but now all of a sudden in a lame duck Congress it is a priority. That dog don't hunt!
    It has actually been opposed since it's inception. Here is just one source documenting efforts to repeal between 2005 and 2007: Opposition to DADT policy: 2005-2007

    To say that it is only now an issue would be false. It has been an issue with some all along, but is only now reaching the point where something is likely to be done about it.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    Seems like a relative few believe this is a bad law and it certainly isn't at the top of the majority's agenda which is more about jobs and economic growth, not DADT
    Luckily our Congress can vote on multiple things at the same time. I won't attest to their walking and chewing gum skills though.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It has actually been opposed since it's inception. Here is just one source documenting efforts to repeal between 2005 and 2007: Opposition to DADT policy: 2005-2007

    To say that it is only now an issue would be false. It has been an issue with some all along, but is only now reaching the point where something is likely to be done about it.
    Right, it is an issue for the LGTG group but not the majority in this country. 2005-2007 was 12-14 years after passage. It is 2010 now. I asked you what happens if you are wrong on this issue and I get silence, then more of the same. This is an all volunteer military and no one has to serve. If there was a draft then you would have a point, but until the courts or the Congress/military leaders act you have nothing.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    Luckily our Congress can vote on multiple things at the same time. I won't attest to their walking and chewing gum skills though.
    Not without some back room deals. If they felt the political capital wasn't enough to handle all of the issues, certain issues took priority. Then you will have many occasions where Congressmen have to suggest "well, if you vote for such and such that I support, I may be able to lend a hand ______ and ______"
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Luckily our Congress can vote on multiple things at the same time. I won't attest to their walking and chewing gum skills though.
    They sure can spend money but agree with you that I cannot attest either to their walking and chewing gum skills. Both sides should be booted out on their ass especially this Congress. The people spoke on Nov. 2 and that vote is being ignored today.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Seems like a relative few believe this is a bad law and it certainly isn't at the top of the majority's agenda which is more about jobs and economic growth, not DADT
    Of course you can't prove that it's a "relative few" that believe this is a bad law.

    Did you know you have a 132 posts in this thread now? That kinda hurts your "this is not a significant issue" argument.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    Right, it is an issue for the LGTG group but not the majority in this country. 2005-2007 was 12-14 years after passage. It is 2010 now. I asked you what happens if you are wrong on this issue and I get silence, then more of the same. This is an all volunteer military and no one has to serve. If there was a draft then you would have a point, but until the courts or the Congress/military leaders act you have nothing.
    You got silence because the powers that be have already established it can be done successfully. If you don't believe them, I doubt anything any of us can say will change your mind.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And almost everyone in the military is uncomfortable about having to do something in the military. The military does not have to accomodate everyone's comfort levels. How many people do you think are comfortable having to pee in front of someone else for a drug test? How many people do you think are comfortable having to watch others pee for a drug test (and in the Navy it is not just MAs who have to observe, I have observed for other women many times because I was the only woman of a certain rank available to do so, active and reserve)? And there are plenty of women and men who are uncomfortable with their own bodies to be comfortable showering in front of anyone, no matter what the sexuality of anyone in the shower. Those people don't get a choice to shower alone, when there are only communal showers, just because they are uncomfortable.
    No, but soldiers have certain rights and that, they can't be denied. Those rights are in writing and already established.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Dammit, it happened again...

    You guys post too fast, I'd have to go without sleep to keep up.

    So...

    Still arguing the whole DADT thing, or did we go off topic?

    Personally, at the people who think (I read a few posts) getting rid of DADT and other such restrictions would impact our military negatively...

    Several things.

    First, if anyone is in a position to absorb a slight decrease in military quality, it's us, who have the best military in the world.

    Second, I don't think it will cause anywhere NEAR the amount of problems the opponents of removing it seem to think.

    Idea: Test implementation of whatever setup they come up with to remove these restrictions in several commands located in non-critical (or at least less critical) areas.

    IF thinks get really screwy, well...

    Note: Keep an eye on transfer requests, etc. If people are really not into working with openly gay persons, they will probably try to transfer out of those commands? Not sure how that works exactly...
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