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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    believe me, it has nothing to do with not wanting to shower with them.

    I find the gay soldiers I have been around to be more the type of soldier I want to be in the line of fire with, they are "in general" better people, all around.
    and certainly capable.

    but there is an uncomfortable air being in a conversation about being gay..

    I'm just trying to keep it real here folks, dont crucify me .
    But it is a sexuality issue. I'm guessing you would be really uncomfortable if you knew the monitor in the bathroom while you peed in a cup was gay wouldn't you? Women have been dealing with way more intrusive situations like that for decades with nary a whisper of complaint. Because women understand that just because a person possesses the sexual orientation be attracted to you, doesn't a) mean they are or b) mean they will toss all sense of professionalism and act on it. Really it's quite arrogant of men.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, fine. He still violated regulations by wearing his uniform to a political rally. He's wrong, no matter how you try to slice it.
    Yeah I agree. I have no problem with him speaking at a rally or campaign, but not in his uniform. The military doesn't take political sides and we should avoid even the suggestion of it.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    it's like this: women don't usually much care, because we don't feel threatened by lesbians. at least, i would say the majority of us aren't. so who give a flying **** if they see some tatas?
    By saying, "we", you speak for every woman in America?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Yeah I agree. I have no problem with him speaking at a rally or campaign, but not in his uniform.
    I don't either, exccept that it's a violation of the regulations, if he's still on active duty.

    The military doesn't take political sides and we should avoid even the suggestion of it
    Another great reason to maintain DADT and simply lift the ban on gays.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's fine, that's great...you can't speak for 100% off the females in the military.
    And almost everyone in the military is uncomfortable about having to do something in the military. The military does not have to accomodate everyone's comfort levels. How many people do you think are comfortable having to pee in front of someone else for a drug test? How many people do you think are comfortable having to watch others pee for a drug test (and in the Navy it is not just MAs who have to observe, I have observed for other women many times because I was the only woman of a certain rank available to do so, active and reserve)? And there are plenty of women and men who are uncomfortable with their own bodies to be comfortable showering in front of anyone, no matter what the sexuality of anyone in the shower. Those people don't get a choice to shower alone, when there are only communal showers, just because they are uncomfortable.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't either, exccept that it's a violation of the regulations, if he's still on active duty.
    Well, assuming he was no longer in the service.

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    Another great reason to maintain DADT and simply lift the ban on gays.
    Not quite the same thing. The military implementing a new policy is not taking sides.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Why no political activism for the past 17 years on this issue? Think expressing yourself on a message board is going to work?
    Do you think expressing yourself on a message board is going to stop the repeal?

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    Not surprised

    I'm sure you aren't.

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    That is always what you do, "prove it" knowing well that no one can prove it but silence is quite telling and with 66000 out of 3 million or so it cannot be that bad.
    The policy is they have to be silent. Duh.

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    Baiting and trolling is what you do, isn't that an infraction?
    You didn't answer this. Do you have to be married to be against spousal abuse?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Do you think expressing yourself on a message board is going to stop the repeal?




    I'm sure you aren't.



    The policy is they have to be silent. Duh.



    You didn't answer this. Do you have to be married to be against spousal abuse?
    DADT doesn't prevent anyone from serving in the military. If you don't want to live and "play" by the rules of the military, don't enlist. It is a law on the books for 17 years passed by a Democrat Congress,signed by Clinton, Clinton for two terms, Bush for two terms, and Obama for two years didn't seem to have a problem with it but now all of a sudden in a lame duck Congress it is a priority. That dog don't hunt!

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    DADT doesn't prevent anyone from serving in the military. If you don't want to live and "play" by the rules of the military, don't enlist. It is a law on the books for 17 years passed by a Democrat Congress,signed by Clinton, Clinton for two terms, Bush for two terms, and Obama for two years didn't seem to have a problem with it but now all of a sudden in a lame duck Congress it is a priority. That dog don't hunt!
    How long has the law been on the books?

    Bad laws don't deserve tenure.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    How long has the law been on the books?

    Bad laws don't deserve tenure.
    Seems like a relative few believe this is a bad law and it certainly isn't at the top of the majority's agenda which is more about jobs and economic growth, not DADT

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