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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    stop making our point for us..

    after all, nothing is true for everyone, nothing all conclusive.

    your "red head" example would be the work of a person truly just looking to bully.

    why do you keep using bullying as the example by the way.
    Did you read somewhere that would be the case...or is that the oddity you compare the red head analogy to.?
    I opine the reason for dont ask dont tell is the comfort level being a distraction in a venue needing no unecessary distraction.

    the reason why dont ask dont tell works is just what it says.
    who cares, unless you flaunt it.
    I dont think anyone would care if I attended an athiest convention as long as I didnt mention Christ as my lord and savoir.
    people that dont feel comfortable around "openly" acting gays arent going to be made to just because you pass a law that says they have to.
    No one has a right to be comfortable during their time in the military. A person's religion may make others uncomfortable during wartime, doesn't prevent people of certain religions from serving openly. A guy's preference in women may make some that he works with uncomfortable, doesn't prevent people with such preferences from serving. Even a person's race may make some people uncomfortable, and that doesn't prevent people any longer of a certain race from serving in the military, in the same units that may be uncomfortable with their race.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Any officer that doesn't conduct himself IAW with the regulations and laws of the United States military, is a piece of **** and therefore a substandard officer. It doesn't matter which regulation and laws that are being violated.
    I think he is an uber sexy substandard officer.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    stop making our point for us..

    after all, nothing is true for everyone, nothing all conclusive.

    your "red head" example would be the work of a person truly just looking to bully.

    why do you keep using bullying as the example by the way.
    Did you read somewhere that would be the case...or is that the oddity you compare the red head analogy to.?
    I opine the reason for dont ask dont tell is the comfort level being a distraction in a venue needing no unecessary distraction.
    Because that's what apdst and I were talking about? I find I insert my foot in my mouth a lot less often if I read the last few pages of the thread. At the very least, look at what I was responding to before you wonder why I brought it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    the reason why dont ask dont tell works is just what it says.
    who cares, unless you flaunt it.
    I dont think anyone would care if I attended an athiest convention as long as I didnt mention Christ as my lord and savoir.
    people that dont feel comfortable around "openly" acting gays arent going to be made to just because you pass a law that says they have to.
    How exactly do you define flaunting it? Cause I don't consider mentioning my husband "flaunting" my heterosexuality, but gays are apparently held to a different standard.

    And as long as they continue to act professionally, I don't care if they're uncomfortable.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Of course you think that's what it means.

    But, actually, I'm talking about how be violated Army regulations in his crusade against DADT.

    Here is a photgraph of Lt. Choi attending a political rally, in uniform. A violation of Army Regulations.



    Another photograph of Lt. Choi egaging in unauthorized political speech. Another violation of Army Regulations.



    And, another of Lt. Choi enagaging in political activities, while in uniform. Again, an illegal act, in accordance with Army Regulations.




    Any officer that doesn't conduct himself IAW with the regulations and laws of the United States military, is a piece of **** and therefore a substandard officer. It doesn't matter which regulation and laws that are being violated.
    Your time line is all wrong. He was discharged after he came out on Rachel Maddow's show in March 2009. Those rallies were after his discharge.
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Of course you think that's what it means.

    But, actually, I'm talking about how be violated Army regulations in his crusade against DADT.

    Here is a photgraph of Lt. Choi attending a political rally, in uniform. A violation of Army Regulations.


    Another photograph of Lt. Choi egaging in unauthorized political speech. Another violation of Army Regulations.


    And, another of Lt. Choi enagaging in political activities, while in uniform. Again, an illegal act, in accordance with Army Regulations.


    Any officer that doesn't conduct himself IAW with the regulations and laws of the United States military, is a piece of **** and therefore a substandard officer. It doesn't matter which regulation and laws that are being violated.
    Is he active duty?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Of course you think that's what it means.

    But, actually, I'm talking about how be violated Army regulations in his crusade against DADT.

    Here is a photgraph of Lt. Choi attending a political rally, in uniform. A violation of Army Regulations.



    Another photograph of Lt. Choi egaging in unauthorized political speech. Another violation of Army Regulations.



    And, another of Lt. Choi enagaging in political activities, while in uniform. Again, an illegal act, in accordance with Army Regulations.




    Any officer that doesn't conduct himself IAW with the regulations and laws of the United States military, is a piece of **** and therefore a substandard officer. It doesn't matter which regulation and laws that are being violated.
    Those laws are unconstitutional. He has every right to speak out against a bigoted and unfair practice. And calling him a piece of **** for challenging a homophobic policy that got him kicked out of the Army.
    I also have a question. About 65 years ago, blacks were not allowed in the US military. If, hypothetically, you couldn't tell that African-Americans were African-Americans by sight, and those laws were still in place, and someone like Lt. Choi was speaking out against these racist regulations, would you call him a piece of **** because he did so while in uniform?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    In my opinion, "uncomfortable" is just sanitized code for "homophobic". What is there to be "uncomfortable" about?
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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Your time line is all wrong. He was discharged after he came out on Rachel Maddow's show in March 2009. Those rallies were after his discharge.
    Well, then there's another charge against: illegally wearing the uniform of a United States officer. He's requested re-enlistment, which is being considered. He has an arrest under his belt, so I think that his re-enlistment should be denied.

    Ya see, you don't get to chose which regulations you want to follow and which ones you don't. Anyone who does, doesn't need to be in the service.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by qwertyuiop View Post
    Those laws are unconstitutional. He has every right to speak out against a bigoted and unfair practice. And calling him a piece of **** for challenging a homophobic policy that got him kicked out of the Army.
    I also have a question. About 65 years ago, blacks were not allowed in the US military. If, hypothetically, you couldn't tell that African-Americans were African-Americans by sight, and those laws were still in place, and someone like Lt. Choi was speaking out against these racist regulations, would you call him a piece of **** because he did so while in uniform?
    Not as a member of the United States armed forces, he doesn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    In my opinion, "uncomfortable" is just sanitized code for "homophobic". What is there to be "uncomfortable" about?
    If a female soldier is uncomfortable sharing a shower with male soldiers, is she male-phobic?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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