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'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

Conservative said:
then I suggest that you go back and look at what you posted. How is having DADT hurting the military?
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I didn't say that either, at least not to my knowledge. I simply stated that DADT affects civilians as well as the military, and that the military is not owed separate consideration with respect to policy.
 
SirPwn4lot said:
Are you ABSOLUTELY INSANE?

Firstly, what do you mean when you say "white trash", and how do you track this statistic?

Secondly. The public opinion polls absolutely couldn't be clearer. Out of Democrats, Liberals, east, postgraduates, those who seldom attend church, moderates, those 18 to 29 years in age, those with some college, independents, women, midwesterners, those 30 to 49 years in age, west, college graduates, those 50 to 64 years in age, those who attend church nearly weekly, men, those over 65 years of age, those with a high school education or less, those who attend church weekly, the south, conservatives, and Republicans....

Only ONE of those demographics doesn't have a majority in favor of repeal (Republicans). Only 6 (from 65+ years down) don't have a super-majority in favor. This might just be the clearest poll I've ever seen in my life (although I'm sure I could find others).

The next time you whine about the American people not supporting something I'm linking this thread. You're also getting my vote for the next asshat of the year (sorry adpst). How anyone can POSSIBLY claim the American people wouldn't support this in a vote is entirely beyond me.

I've officially lost hope in humanity.
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See above^^^


Asshat of the year? Isn't that a basement reference? Naughty naughty.. :)


POLL's are unreliable for SO many reasons, the statistical correlations are only as sound as the controls. My gut tells me that rednecks, in da hood balcks, and Latino's all would NOT be in favor of it, nor do I think any poll taken by active combat arms military would deliver the same result. Aside from my gut, on other issues pertaining to gays, the gays lose big time, and they lose not because of the republican vote, but because of the democratic vote. Take from that what you please.


Tim-
 
Conservative said:
Sounds a lot like the private business where I assure you that no one is irreplaceable. How long has DADT been in place? Anyone that joins the military does so as a personal choice and isn't forced into service. Calling it discriminatory is certainly an opinion, I call it living by the rules established.
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Bull ****ing ****.

So lets say all the guys are sittin around in the Barracks talking about *****, and if Jim the gay guy doesn't contribute, people will suspect he's gay, and he may be ostracized for not contributing, so now he has to make something up.

I call that discriminatory.

Just because its a rule. Doesn't make it right.

We use to have some Jim Crow Rules, what were you gonna tell those people back then Conservative? Well it's the rules guys, if you don't like it, move north?
 
Conservative said:
Sounds a lot like the private business where I assure you that no one is irreplaceable. How long has DADT been in place? Anyone that joins the military does so as a personal choice and isn't forced into service. Calling it discriminatory is certainly an opinion, I call it living by the rules established.
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Maybe you should look at how much money the military has to offer people to sign up and reenlist for certain jobs, then get back to me about saying that people can be replaced. Sure they can be replaced, but the cost of replacing them goes up every time more people get out or are put out, and for any job that requires people with special skills or a very specific background proving that they can actually be trained in the field. That is more money that us, the taxpayers, have to pay in order to keep a discriminatory policy in place. Like I said, a waste of money.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Bull ****ing ****.

So lets say all the guys are sittin around in the Barracks talking about *****, and if Jim the gay guy doesn't contribute, people will suspect he's gay, and he may be ostracized for not contributing, so now he has to make something up.

I call that discriminatory.

Just because its a rule. Doesn't make it right.

We use to have some Jim Crow Rules, what were you gonna tell those people back then Conservative? Well it's the rules guys, if you don't like it, move north?
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There is no comparision to Jim Crow and the Military. The military is all volunteer. Amazing how many cannot grasp that concept.
 
Conservative said:
There is no comparision to Jim Crow and the Military. The military is all volunteer. Amazing how many cannot grasp that concept.
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Its an example you hack. Glad to see you can't actually address my post.

Why can't a gay man or woman serve in the military? Why is DADT a good thing?
 
Conservative said:
There is no comparision to Jim Crow and the Military. The military is all volunteer. Amazing how many cannot grasp that concept.
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Yet, the military became integrated. Wow, funny how the military actually does see that some things are discriminatory isn't it?
 
Patria Antiqua said:
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII DIIIIIIIIIIIIIID NOOOOOOOOOOOT SAAAAAAY THAAAAAAAAAAT.

Jesus Christ on a ****ing cross, what is wrong with you?
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Really? this isn't your quote,
We have civilian control of the military, and DADT is an issue that affects civilians' ability to enlist, which in turn affects the military.
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So what exactly were you referring to since it doesn't appear that DADT affects the civilian's ability to enlist.
 
roguenuke said:
Yet, the military became integrated. Wow, funny how the military actually does see that some things are discriminatory isn't it?
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Doesn't appear that DADT is affecting military recruiting.
 
Patria Antiqua said:
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII DIIIIIIIIIIIIIID NOOOOOOOOOOOT SAAAAAAY THAAAAAAAAAAT.

Jesus Christ on a ****ing cross, what is wrong with you?
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Temper, temper.. :)

Even though, I am for repeal of DADT, I just love watching liberal heads explode. :)


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
See above^^^


Asshat of the year? Isn't that a basement reference? Naughty naughty.. :)


POLL's are unreliable for SO many reasons, the statistical correlations are only as sound as the controls. My gut tells me that rednecks, in da hood balcks, and Latino's all would NOT be in favor of it, nor do I think any poll taken by active combat arms military would deliver the same result. Aside from my gut, on other issues pertaining to gays, the gays lose big time, and they lose not because of the republican vote, but because of the democratic vote. Take from that what you please.


Tim-
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Basement reference? Everyone calls everyone around here asshats. Reverend Hellhound did it just a few hrs ago.

On the contrary, polls are often very accurate, given that they follow a certain set of guidelines, which Gallup does.

I guess we can't trust any polls then, you can no longer claim that the American people are on your side, we have no idea what the population thinks about the next election, Obama's approval rating might be at 90% for all we know. The polls are so unreliable that there's routinely over 17% error, even though the 95% confidence interval for this poll is +/- 4%, who cares, lets just call it split down the middle.

I still want a proper, statistical definition of "white trash", and stats showing that 80% of this category support the Democrats.

I had no idea people like you existed until I came to this thread, I thought people at least tried to put truth before blind protection of their dogma. How naive I was.
 
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Conservative said:
Really? this isn't your quote,

So what exactly were you referring to since it doesn't appear that DADT affects the civilian's ability to enlist.
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Getting the best people for the job. Maybe there are some gays who are actually better suited to be in certain positions/jobs in the military than some straights. We should be trying to get the best people into the job and encouraging them to stay in those jobs, without discriminating against them because others are uncomfortable with who they date.
 
Conservative said:
Doesn't appear that DADT is affecting military recruiting.
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It is in some undermanned jobs. And besides that, retention is generally more important than recruiting, so why shouldn't we be trying to keep the best people in the jobs that they are already trained to do?
 
Conservative said:
Really? this isn't your quote,

So what exactly were you referring to since it doesn't appear that DADT affects the civilian's ability to enlist.
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A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Even if we recruit twice the soldiers we bleed from DADT, that aphorism holds.

DADT also discourages gays from enlisting, and denies the military a lot of potential talent.
 
roguenuke said:
Who are you to judge how much God is in anyone else's life? Just because they don't believe what you do?
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Who do I have to be? See that's what's so great about individualism - I can judge or not without answering to anyone including you. Who are you or DD to tell me DADT is unfair?
 
roguenuke said:
Getting the best people for the job. Maybe there are some gays who are actually better suited to be in certain positions/jobs in the military than some straights. We should be trying to get the best people into the job and encouraging them to stay in those jobs, without discriminating against them because others are uncomfortable with who they date.
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Is that your role, to hire people? Maybe there are gays but probably since the vast majority in this country aren't gay, my bet is you can find someone equally or better qualified.
 
Conservative said:
Is that your role, to hire people? Maybe there are gays but probably since the vast majority in this country aren't gay, my bet is you can find someone equally or better qualified.
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So should we implement Heterosexual Empowerment :2razz:
 
Patria Antiqua said:
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Even if we recruit twice the soldiers we bleed from DADT, that aphorism holds.

DADT also discourages gays from enlisting, and denies the military a lot of potential talent.
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So apparently that was your quote and you do believe DADT impacts recruiting? Apparently military leadership disagrees with you as do the recruiting results. Amazing that whenver there is a thread on homosexulality it brings out everyone here promoting that agenda. I prefer leaving this to the all volunteer military to make the decision and it does appear that DADT repeal is dead. Live with it.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Its an example you hack. Glad to see you can't actually address my post.
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Resorting to name calling goes no where.

Jetboogieman said:
Why can't a gay man or woman serve in the military?
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They can and they do.

Jetboogieman said:
Why is DADT a good thing?
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Because it's none of anyone elses business and they can be gay while the military doesn't ask about it (like they used to) as long as the gay person doesn't tell others about it and everyone can go on their merry way being oblivious. It's a win win.
 
roguenuke said:
It is in some undermanned jobs. And besides that, retention is generally more important than recruiting, so why shouldn't we be trying to keep the best people in the jobs that they are already trained to do?
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What undermanned jobs are there that a gay recruit can do better than a straight?
 
Conservative said:
Since the majority in this country by a huge number aren't gay it would pass overwhelmingly
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You have to be ****ing kidding me...

Humour <------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> Conservative
 
Conservative said:
So apparently that was your quote and you do believe DADT impacts recruiting? Apparently military leadership disagrees with you as do the recruiting results. Amazing that whenver there is a thread on homosexulality it brings out everyone here promoting that agenda. I prefer leaving this to the all volunteer military to make the decision and it does appear that DADT repeal is dead. Live with it.
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I'm not going to "live" with anything, you sanctimonious asshole.

I didn't say anything about recruiting numbers. I stated, I feel correctly, that discouraging talented homosexuals from enlisting is a bad thing.
 
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