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    Re: Pelosi pledges to win changes as House Dems reject tax-cut deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Clinton's rates were permanent, Bush's were temporary.
    so were the rates before Clinton so how'd that work out

    semantic weasel words



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    Re: Pelosi pledges to win changes as House Dems reject tax-cut deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    You DO understand this doesn't REDUCE taxes for ANYONE... right? That it maintians them at the current level? How, exactly, is that a cut?
    Kandahar is a welfare-socialist--he thinks that the rich exist to pay as much taxes as the rabble and their representatives demand



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    Re: Pelosi pledges to win changes as House Dems reject tax-cut deal

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Kandahar is a welfare-socialist--he thinks that the rich exist to pay as much taxes as the rabble and their representatives demand
    That is entirely 100 % dishonest representation of Kandahar's beliefs.
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    Re: Pelosi pledges to win changes as House Dems reject tax-cut deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    You DO understand this doesn't REDUCE taxes for ANYONE... right? That it maintians them at the current level? How, exactly, is that a cut?
    The Bush tax cuts were set to expire at the end of this year...that was part of the original deal. So it's a cut from what the taxes would be, in the absence of any congressional action. But really, this is irrelevant. You can call them tax cuts or maintaining low tax rates or whatever you want. The point is that if Obama is going to capitulate to the Republicans and give them everything they want and then some, he sure as **** better get something more than some unemployment benefits out of the deal.
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    Re: Pelosi pledges to win changes as House Dems reject tax-cut deal

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    It would be a tax cut and if this passes, the right wing could say it's Obama's tax cut rather than Bush's in 2012. Not rocket science.

    Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic caucus is trying to save Obama from himself.
    If it passes I feel sorry for the people who will be expecting a tax cut when they open their checks.
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    Re: Pelosi pledges to win changes as House Dems reject tax-cut deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is entirely 100 % dishonest representation of Kandahar's beliefs.
    That is what I see and I call it like I see it. Given he has (to the best of my knowledge) never said that there is a certain point where taxes are too high (and given he thinks a 55% rate on an estate over one million is just fine) My view is honest



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    Re: Pelosi pledges to win changes as House Dems reject tax-cut deal

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so the howls about the deficit are just rants with no substance. You libs claim the tax rates cost money yet your response to this "cost" is to spend even more.
    Howls about the deficit? What are you talking about? I have said numerous times on this forum that I don't give a damn about the deficit until the economy recovers. I'm completely in favor of high spending and low taxes during a recession, provided that they are stimulative. Tax cuts for corporations are stimulative. Tax cuts for the middle-class are stimulative. Extending the EITC is stimulative. Extending unemployment benefits is stimulative. Giving federal money to the states is stimulative. Low taxes for the wealthy and a low estate tax are NOT stimulative.

    And to the extent that anyone has been "howling about the deficit" in recent months, it's mostly been conservative Republicans. Not that they actually care about it either...it's just another issue that the out-party uses to attack the incumbent party.
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    Re: Pelosi pledges to win changes as House Dems reject tax-cut deal

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    That is what I see and I call it like I see it. Given he has (to the best of my knowledge) never said that there is a certain point where taxes are too high (and given he thinks a 55% rate on an estate over one million is just fine) My view is honest
    You might think it is honest, but it is not. It is also a very slanted view that spins his actual beliefs.
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    Re: Pelosi pledges to win changes as House Dems reject tax-cut deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This, I am certain, comes as no surprise to anyone on The Hill. It's all about perception. IMO, they will lower the threshhold for inheritance taxes from its proposed $5 million and increase the tax percentage back to what it was before. I predict this will happen -- and that both sides knew it was going to happen all along.
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    Re: Pelosi pledges to win changes as House Dems reject tax-cut deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The Bush tax cuts were set to expire at the end of this year...that was part of the original deal. So it's a cut from what the taxes would be, in the absence of any congressional action. But really, this is irrelevant. You can call them tax cuts or maintaining low tax rates or whatever you want. The point is that if Obama is going to capitulate to the Republicans and give them everything they want and then some, he sure as **** better get something more than some unemployment benefits out of the deal.
    So, they are not a tax cut based on the current tax rate... they are a tax cut based on a rate that does not exist, is that about it?

    I can certainly see your point of view on your last statement, and I do not entirely disagree.

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