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    Re: MasterCard site is down, twitter, paypal, foxnews.com is next in hacker attacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    For something that horrific, I would agree. But for a private comment or suggestion that could strain an already strained relationship, I find it unnecessarily dangerous.

    I prefer to believe that we aren't run like a Nazi regime, as your example would be an example of.
    People would instantly realize if the government ran blatant propaganda campaigns, as shown in the Soviet Union. The molding of public opinion in the United States is significantly more sophisticated.

    So you agree that it's sometimes one's duty to reveal classified information that's damaging to national security and diplomatic interests. Assuming that you don't support scientists who gave nuclear weapons secrets to the USSR, at which point between these two extremes do you change from allowing it to restricting it, and why?

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    Re: Hackers Target WikiLeaks 'Enemies': Mastercard, Twitter, Paypal, Even FoxNews(edi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz
    Exceptions don't make the rule.
    Except we're not talking about rules we're talking about the law. In a discussion on how effective the law is as an objective thing I think evidence showing that the law is not objectively applied is the krux of the whole issue.

    And, as I showed with the Pentagon Papers, even when the law is circumvented at first, there are built in measures to address this problem.
    What do you think the prosecution rate is for a police officer that commits a crime compared to a civilian the commits the same crime?

    Which is why the void has been filled by Wikileaks. And, it is causing a shakeup to the status quo that I suspect will result in greater press vigilance in the future. Such gains are never made without pain.
    Quite the opposite, actually. The Wikileaks affair is important because it is putting forward the question of the legality of watchdog and independent journalism itself. The press has come out on the side of the government as well, further confirming their inability to independently report on events.

    The system works. Not all the time, not without pain, not without error, but it works.
    Of course it works, it works for those it is designed to work for...
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    Re: Hackers Target WikiLeaks 'Enemies': Mastercard, Twitter, Paypal, Even FoxNews(edi

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Except we're not talking about rules we're talking about the law. In a discussion on how effective the law is as an objective thing I think evidence showing that the law is not objectively applied is the krux of the whole issue.
    I think that if you said objective a few more times, your meaning would be clearer.

    100 instances of the law not being applied objectively, in comparison to 60 million instances in which it is...

    The krux is what percentage that 100 instances represents. Is it the majority? Or the minority? Were those instances ultimately overturned and justice restored?

    You thinking of 100 instances that, for all we know, are exceptions that were later overturned, isn't objectively helpful.

    What do you think the prosecution rate is for a police officer that commits a crime compared to a civilian the commits the same crime?
    LOLWUT?

    Do you have figures on that? I'd like to know what the prosecution rate is, in general, on many crimes. THAT DATA is collected so haphazardly and patchily around the U.S. that collecting it in any cohesive fashion, much less comparing it against police officers charged with the same offense, is impossible. I work with law enforcement data on a daily basis, so I apologize for laughing at your assumptions that such data even exists, but it's a laughable assumption.

    However, if you get into a graduate program somewhere, and want to do a doctoral thesis on this topic, call me and I'll help you figure out how to collect it.

    Anyway.

    The Wikileaks affair is important because it is putting forward the question of the legality of watchdog and independent journalism itself. The press has come out on the side of the government as well, further confirming their inability to independently report on events.
    Many members of the press did the same thing in 1971. They ultimately corrected themselves.

    Of course it works, it works for those it is designed to work for...
    Ah, the proletariat, how persecuted they are.
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    Re: Hackers Target WikiLeaks 'Enemies': Mastercard, Twitter, Paypal, Even FoxNews(edi

    I think this sums up this saga:


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    Re: MasterCard site is down, twitter, paypal, foxnews.com is next in hacker attacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Assange is a thief and a thug. I truly believe he is a danger to humanity with his abuse of "transparency."
    This hoopala isn't about principal or laws. It's about politicians, media, and generals protecting against leaks of their own screw-ups, and the exposure of those we once admired and trusted...

    The death of blind idealism.

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    Re: MasterCard site is down, twitter, paypal, foxnews.com is next in hacker attacks.

    Those of you who are freaking out over "vigilante hackers" need to calm down. It's 4chan. It's a bunch of kids having some fun, pretending that they're making a difference in the world by sticking it to The Man. They'll lose interest within a couple weeks.
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    Re: MasterCard site is down, twitter, paypal, foxnews.com is next in hacker attacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Those of you who are freaking out over "vigilante hackers" need to calm down. It's 4chan. It's a bunch of kids having some fun, pretending that they're making a difference in the world by sticking it to The Man. They'll lose interest within a couple weeks.
    As they have published, they consider these actions similar to sit-ins of previous eras. Not to do harm, just to inconvenience and annoy and bring attention. By "they" I mean Anonymous, not Wikileaks who I read today are trying to distance themselves from Anonymous or 4chan or whatever their tag is today.
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    Re: MasterCard site is down, twitter, paypal, foxnews.com is next in hacker attacks.

    Dweebs on the internet concerned about "internet censorship." Nothing more than mentally stunted adults and kids.
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    Re: MasterCard site is down, twitter, paypal, foxnews.com is next in hacker attacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    Assuming that you don't support scientists who gave nuclear weapons secrets to the USSR, at which point do you change from allowing it to restricting it, and why?
    Naturally you don't reveal military secrets when at war, but there is no war, no identifiable enemies, and no tangible threats, only possibilities. That means we don't have to ignore the first amendment anymore.

    O. W. Holme's theater is empty...

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    Re: MasterCard site is down, twitter, paypal, foxnews.com is next in hacker attacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Dweebs on the internet concerned about "internet censorship." Nothing more than mentally stunted adults and kids.
    Yes, but they do believe in the first amendment, a freedom you seem to deny...

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