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    Re: Hackers Target WikiLeaks 'Enemies': Mastercard, Twitter, Paypal, Even FoxNews(edi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I don't support vigilanteism. Anonymous needs to stand down, but unfortunately, from what I know about them, that's highly unlikely.

    I can understand many Americans cheering them, though. We do love our Robin Hoods.
    I think some see the attacks on Wikileaks by our government and their hired hackers as justification for these other hackers. You can't really expect an entity that has not done anything illegal, hasn't been charged with any illegal to not be defended and subsequently offended by the same tactics. Well, I can't.
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    Re: Hackers Target WikiLeaks 'Enemies': Mastercard, Twitter, Paypal, Even FoxNews(edi

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I think some see the attacks on Wikileaks by our government and their hired hackers as justification for these other hackers. You can't really expect an entity that has not done anything illegal, hasn't been charged with any illegal to not be defended and subsequently offended by the same tactics. Well, I can't.
    No, but you've got that Che shirt in your weekly rotation, too.

    As Catz said, Robin Hood is always popular among the n'er do wells. (well, I added the last part, lol)

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    Re: Hackers Target WikiLeaks 'Enemies': Mastercard, Twitter, Paypal, Even FoxNews(edi

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    s Catz said, Robin Hood is always popular among the n'er do wells. (well, I added the last part, lol)
    Wrong. Robin Hood is popular with everyone except Prince John and the Sheriff of Nottingham.

    But I can see the resemblance, Erod. Wasn't that the Sheriff's first name?

    p.s. Let me be brutally honest here...I was cheering anonymous when they went after Scientology. If you weren't, it's because you weren't paying attention.

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    Re: Hackers Target WikiLeaks 'Enemies': Mastercard, Twitter, Paypal, Even FoxNews(edi

    I support the freedom of the press, just like I support the freedom of private corporations to run their business and lend their support as they choose, within the scope of the law. If the sites these vigilantes are targetting have done anything legally wrong, then let the law address that. Malicious and likely illegal attacks on those sites makes the Anonymous crusaders no better than the people who are trying to silence Wikileaks.
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    Re: Hackers Target WikiLeaks 'Enemies': Mastercard, Twitter, Paypal, Even FoxNews(edi

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    I support the freedom of the press, just like I support the freedom of private corporations to run their business and lend their support as they choose, within the scope of the law. If the sites these vigilantes are targetting have done anything legally wrong, then let the law address that. Malicious and likely illegal attacks on those sites makes the Anonymous crusaders no better than the people who are trying to silence Wikileaks.
    So do you think it is okay that the US government interfered with Wikileaks who've been charged with nothing at this time, trying to shut them down, even when they moved the site out of US jurisdiction?
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    Re: Hackers Target WikiLeaks 'Enemies': Mastercard, Twitter, Paypal, Even FoxNews(edi

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    So do you think it is okay that the US government interfered with Wikileaks who've been charged with nothing at this time, trying to shut them down, even when they moved the site out of US jurisdiction?
    I don't believe there is a good justification for using cyber attacks to take down the wikileaks site, although there are some vigilante hackers who've claimed to be behind the DDoS attacks, so it's not clear that the U.S. government was involved.

    However, using that as a justification to create mass DDoS attacks against businesses isn't appropriate. We have the rule of law in this country, allowing vigilanteism undermines that basic premise of our society.

    (I find it humorous that I was just explaining the concept of "rule of law" to my son last night because he is studying it in civics...I'm feeling some deja vu here).

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    Re: Hackers Target WikiLeaks 'Enemies': Mastercard, Twitter, Paypal, Even FoxNews(edi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I don't believe there is a good justification for using cyber attacks to take down the wikileaks site, although there are some vigilante hackers who've claimed to be behind the DDoS attacks, so it's not clear that the U.S. government was involved.

    However, using that as a justification to create mass DDoS attacks against businesses isn't appropriate. We have the rule of law in this country, allowing vigilanteism undermines that basic premise of our society.

    (I find it humorous that I was just explaining the concept of "rule of law" to my son last night because he is studying it in civics...I'm feeling some deja vu here).
    I agree with the premise, but as you point out, we do like non-violent Robin Hoods, and places like banks, VISA, MC, etc are certainly entities non-grata around here lately. So some extra glee may be in there for many of us twisted folks.
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    Re: Hackers Target WikiLeaks 'Enemies': Mastercard, Twitter, Paypal, Even FoxNews(edi

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I agree with the premise, but as you point out, we do like non-violent Robin Hoods, and places like banks, VISA, MC, etc are certainly entities non-grata around here lately. So some extra glee may be in there for many of us twisted folks.
    I'm not going to say i'm not enjoying the spectacle. I do love a circus!

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    Re: Hackers Target WikiLeaks 'Enemies': Mastercard, Twitter, Paypal, Even FoxNews(edi

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    So do you think it is okay that the US government interfered with Wikileaks who've been charged with nothing at this time, trying to shut them down, even when they moved the site out of US jurisdiction?
    So you equate Twitter, Mastercard, Amazon, etc. with the US government? We both know I didn't say what you're trying to imply I did.
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    Re: MasterCard site is down, twitter, paypal, foxnews.com is next in hacker attacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    There appear to be reports circulating that Wiki did experience several DDoS attacks prior to the release of the cables, and that subsequent attacks (originating in China) have also occurred.
    And nowhere did I deny that they have suffered several DoS attacks. There is zero evidence to tie it to a concerted US effort thought. Believing stuff based on zero evidence is conspiracy theory crap. Do pay attention.
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