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    WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    I rarely start threads, but something struck me about the article that I am referring. I understand that we have several threads on this issue, but there was two lines from this article that I wanted to focus on:

    Obama says the compromise was necessary because Republicans were prepared to let everyone's taxes rise and to block the extension of unemployment benefits for jobless Americans if they didn't get much of what they wanted.

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    For a second straight day Wednesday, Vice President Joe Biden traveled to the Capitol to meet privately with Democrats — this time in the House, after visiting senators on Tuesday. Aides distributed a color-coded chart labeled "what we got," and "what they got," indicating that Democrats won more concessions in the tax deal than did Republicans.

    WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession - Yahoo! News
    I placed in bold the comments that annoyed me. This is the problem with this entire issue. Seems to me that neither side really cares what is best for the country. They just care about winning. Republicans refusing to accept ANYTHING unless they get what they want. Democrats charting wins and losses. This is the kind of stupid partisanship that has been ruining this country for a while. It would be nice if people could just get together and say, "ok, screw winning. Let's assess what works." I understand that there are differences in opinion in what works, but threatening to "take your toys and go home" or looking at it as a win/loss idea. misses the point of what is needing to be accomplished. IMO, both parties have acted atrociously, for the most part, putting the interests of their party above the interests of the country.

    So. my question to you is NOT what you think of the tax cut compromise, but what do you think of the behavior of the two parties surrounding this entire thing.
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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I rarely start threads, but something struck me about the article that I am referring. I understand that we have several threads on this issue, but there was two lines from this article that I wanted to focus on:



    I placed in bold the comments that annoyed me. This is the problem with this entire issue. Seems to me that neither side really cares what is best for the country. They just care about winning. Republicans refusing to accept ANYTHING unless they get what they want. Democrats charting wins and losses. This is the kind of stupid partisanship that has been ruining this country for a while. It would be nice if people could just get together and say, "ok, screw winning. Let's assess what works." I understand that there are differences in opinion in what works, but threatening to "take your toys and go home" or looking at it as a win/loss idea. misses the point of what is needing to be accomplished. IMO, both parties have acted atrociously, for the most part, putting the interests of their party above the interests of the country.

    So. my question to you is NOT what you think of the tax cut compromise, but what do you think of the behavior of the two parties surrounding this entire thing.
    the worst thing the GOP could do is allow the dems to keep taxes the same on the people who most need to learn that government spending costs everyone money while letting taxes on those who already understand that and pay most of the taxes go up.



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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Both sides are playing the same old politics. Nothing was learned by either party from the last election. Obama tried to sell the idea of hey I can work with the Republicans, yet then bashes them in basically saying they were terrorists. Dems are becoming the party of "No". IMO, not enough new blood was brought into Washington to force a change on how business is done. Maybe in two years voters can force a change.
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    America voted against bipartisanship during the midterms. As you may recall, they decided to send the Blue Dogs packing and they were the ones most likely to bring the two parties together. This is nothing like the partisanship we are going to see the next 2 years.

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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    I'm glad the Republicans held Obama's nuts to the fire, because ultimately, not raising taxes will be beneficial to the American economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm glad the Republicans held Obama's nuts to the fire, because ultimately, not raising taxes will be beneficial to the American economy.
    So **** the deficit is what you're saying?

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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    America voted against bipartisanship during the midterms. As you may recall, they decided to send the Blue Dogs packing and they were the ones most likely to bring the two parties together. This is nothing like the partisanship we are going to see the next 2 years.
    What bipartisanship are you referring to? Do you call it bipartisanship, when Obama said: "The-the-the Republicans can come along for the ride, but they gotta sit in back"? How about: "We won"? That kind of bipartisanship?
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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    I'm curious as to whether some of you more "fervent" supporters of one side or the other see any problem with the tactics that both sides used. Especially the side that you support.
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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What bipartisanship are you referring to? Do you call it bipartisanship, when Obama said: "The-the-the Republicans can come along for the ride, but they gotta sit in back"? How about: "We won"? That kind of bipartisanship?
    Or how about the bipartisanship of the Republicans who said they would not support anything Democrats prposed unless they got what they wanted.
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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm curious as to whether some of you more "fervent" supporters of one side or the other see any problem with the tactics that both sides used. Especially the side that you support.
    I'm just surprised that so many conservatives are happy the tax breaks will stay in place, when they're a huge deficit causing mechanism, surely if you're for fiscal conservatism, you might support the tax breaks expiring AND the federal government cutting their budget, therefore putting the feds on the road to a balanced budget, but instead, continue to support tax breaks whilst at the same time, gutting Obama for deficits.

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