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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yes! I do! Without the partisan battle, we lose the, "one hand watching what the other hand is doing", effect. I mean, hey, I think we can all agree that the two parties getting along too good, would be a bad thing. I heard a guy on Rush's show the other day define compromise like this: "I'll vote for your crappy legislation, if you vote for my crappy legistlation". If we have both parties voting for each other's crappy legislation all the time, then that would have a sad ending for all us unwashed masses.
    And I get this, but thanks for remiinding me. Checks and balances. I'm not suggestion a "one-party, why don't we all get along" system. I DO think, however, that each side brings something positive to the table. It would be nice to see each side vote for the other's "good" legislation.

    Yep, and if the Republicans swing left, they can kiss my ass.
    Not really what I meant, but the point isn't in the theme of my thread, anyway.





    I don't think he did it, because he agreed with it. It's totally contray to everything he's said, up to this point.
    You could be rigtht, but it is possible that as the economy has changed, his opinion on solutions changed. In another thread I pointed out scenarios in history where Presidents needed to change their campaign promises because of a change in events. I'm not saying that this is what happened, but it could be either.
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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Ask Conservative on who controls the purse strings in government

    (hint, he will say it is not the president buy congress)
    The stimulus and Tarp are already allocated. Obama could have given it back he has not.

    Congress does in that they send the bills to the president but he can veto them. Once Tarp and stimulus was approved the president had control of it

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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    I like the sound of that, but I think that there are two faulty assumptions here. The first is that it assumes I (the hypothetical, impersonal "I") would find anything positive at all about the political views of someone who has a particular political persuasion.
    This, to me, would be only true of extremists of one side or the other. Though I lean left, there are absolutely things on the right that I find valuable.

    The other, I think someone (maybe you) has already pointed out.

    There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. I've never found truly impartial research/experts about anything political, have you?
    Well, this too may be a matter of perspective, but I think using a combined attack from the disaplines of psychology, math/economics, and history/sociology, some fairly consistent research results might be obtained. Perhaps I'm just wishing.
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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And I get this, but thanks for remiinding me. Checks and balances. I'm not suggestion a "one-party, why don't we all get along" system. I DO think, however, that each side brings something positive to the table. It would be nice to see each side vote for the other's "good" legislation.
    Call me what you want, but the only, "good", legislation I've seen come from the Democrats is the CALM Act. The rest is socialistic bull****.



    You could be rigtht, but it is possible that as the economy has changed, his opinion on solutions changed. In another thread I pointed out scenarios in history where Presidents needed to change their campaign promises because of a change in events. I'm not saying that this is what happened, but it could be either.
    Possibly so, but until the past couple of days, I didn't notice anything coming from him that would indicate that. Maybe he kept it private, until now, so as not to upset his base?

    he's the most fringe kook Liberal president in history. I don't buy that he woke up a few mornings ago and said, "****! The Republicans have been right all along! I get it now!".
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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Sadly I think both sides think they need to do this stuff to mollify the extremists who would prefer us to get nothing accomplished. Whether it is DeMint on one side or Sanders on the other, they will never be happy, unless they WIN, whatever that means.

    Just shake your head at the noise and be happy that the most reasonable folks got something done.
    In bold. I agree completely. One of our worst Presidents, Andrew Johnson said something like, "if we lopped off the extremists on both ends, all would be well with the country".
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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Call me what you want, but the only, "good", legislation I've seen come from the Democrats is the CALM Act. The rest is socialistic bull****.
    Well, this has actually been a pretty pleasent exchange between the two of us... for once. So I will refrain from saying what I'm sure you know I'm thinking.





    Possibly so, but until the past couple of days, I didn't notice anything coming from him that would indicate that. Maybe he kept it private, until now, so as not to upset his base?
    Could be. I'd love to know what he was thinking.

    he's the most fringe kook Liberal president in history. I don't buy that he woke up a few mornings ago and said, "****! The Republicans have been right all along! I get it now!".
    No way. That's the extremist part of you coming out.
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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This, to me, would be only true of extremists of one side or the other. Though I lean left, there are absolutely things on the right that I find valuable.

    Well, this too may be a matter of perspective, but I think using a combined attack from the disaplines of psychology, math/economics, and history/sociology, some fairly consistent research results might be obtained. Perhaps I'm just wishing.
    Then what it sounds like is that you're just asking everyone to lay down their arms and become a moderate.

    That's no fun.

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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    Then what it sounds like is that you're just asking everyone to lay down their arms and become a moderate.

    That's no fun.
    But it is both more efficient and is more consistent with the lean of the population.
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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    But it is both more efficient and is more consistent with the lean of the population.
    Both of those things may be true, but they'd also be in contradiction to a lot of people's political ideals.

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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm curious as to whether some of you more "fervent" supporters of one side or the other see any problem with the tactics that both sides used. Especially the side that you support.
    Definitely. In fact, Obama was much worse in this situation than the Republicans. The GOP was just doing what they always do - pushing for tax cuts for the wealthy while giving up as little ground as they could get away with. Although their policies are wrong, they played it beautifully from a tactical perspective.

    Obama, on the other hand, was an embarrassment. There is no reason he had to be as weak as he was. He could have credibly threatened to veto tax cuts for the wealthy, and thrown his weight behind the middle-class tax cut that passed the House. Then the Republicans would be in the awkward position of having to vote against a tax cut or accept that the wealthy would be taxed more. Or if Obama really wanted to offer the GOP an olive branch, he could have at least used the THREAT of veto to extract more concessions from them.

    Obama's behavior SINCE the deal has been disgraceful as well. Democrats are rightly pissed off about it, and Obama seems to have not anticipated that at all. And he doesn't even get any points for being "moderate" (if anyone was willing to give him points for that in the first place) because he compared the GOP to hostage-takers, and the voters to hostages. Yeah, that'll endear him to independents.

    BTW, if the Republicans are hostage-takers in his analogy, doesn't that make Obama himself an appeaser?
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