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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Unfortunately, you are right more often than not. I'm just curious if anyone has an alternate thought.
    To be honest, I don't see that there are any alternative thoughts available.

    If we agree that a growing economy is a good thing, but our views on how to bring that about are diametrically opposed, then what else is there?

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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    The tactics of each side were predictable. It is not a question of good or evil. America has reached a toxic equilibrium that can no longer be sustained, and it can't be reformed.

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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

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    Whom ever has the biggest dick--politically speaking--get's their way on the policy.
    So, similar to Patria Antiqua, you see no possible alteration in the partisan battle. Do you see this as a good thing?

    Right now, that's the Republicans and I'm glad of it, because I like their strategy.
    Sure, but this thing always goes in cycles.

    Obama didn't cut this deal, because he had to, or because he's a pussy. He wants, very badly, to get re-elected. personally, I think he's **** out of luck, but I think he believes that this is the best deal he could make and accomplish that goal.
    Maybe, if that is accurate, to me that's some of the worst kind of political pandering. If he did it because he agreed with it, good for him. If he did it solely to get elected, that does not take the country's well being into account. His job is not to get re-elected. His job is to do his job. Most politicians forget this.

    The last thing he wanted, was to be the guy who raised everyone's taxes. That would have nailed his political coffin shut, tighter than a crab's ass...and, that's water tight.
    Perhaps, but he needed to do what is best for the country. Whether he gets re-elected or not is a DISTANT second to that.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Decreasing the deficit? No. I think that is more of a universal issue... probably one of the vew. Cutting the unemployment reate by 3+ points? Yes, I think that's a matter of perspective.
    How can cutting unemployment being a good thing, be a matter of perspective? That would mean that someone thinks that 9+% unemployment is healthy for the country.



    If we are discussing decreasing the deficit, and one side wants to block legislation that would accomplish this because it was proposed by the other side, I agree 100% with you. Other than that, I do not.
    There's only one way to decrease the deficit; cut spending. As long as the, "poor man's party", is in control, giving **** away left and right, that's not going to happen.



    I think there is a difference though. Some want to do it to get elected. Some because they believe it's the right thing to do. I have a problem with the first group and dismiss their position as based on nothing. I can respect the second, but want to know where their "line" is.
    Some are so brainwashed that their position is right, that they will go down in flames with their position and take the country with them.
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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    To be honest, I don't see that there are any alternative thoughts available.

    If we agree that a growing economy is a good thing, but our views on how to bring that about are diametrically opposed, then what else is there?
    Figuring out how to coexist with either a method that uses positives from both sides, or one that is more apolitical and more research/expert oriented. The tenor of a lot of what we hear... and that I highlighted in the quotes in my OP demonstrate more of a "let's stick it to the other guy" than anything else. Perhaps if things get presented in a more objective way, then "the other guy is wrong" way, not only would a compromise be more palatable, but it might also be more beneficial and intelligent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    So, similar to Patria Antiqua, you see no possible alteration in the partisan battle. Do you see this as a good thing?
    Yes! I do! Without the partisan battle, we lose the, "one hand watching what the other hand is doing", effect. I mean, hey, I think we can all agree that the two parties getting along too good, would be a bad thing. I heard a guy on Rush's show the other day define compromise like this: "I'll vote for your crappy legislation, if you vote for my crappy legistlation". If we have both parties voting for each other's crappy legislation all the time, then that would have a sad ending for all us unwashed masses.



    Sure, but this thing always goes in cycles.
    Yep, and if the Republicans swing left, they can kiss my ass.



    Maybe, if that is accurate, to me that's some of the worst kind of political pandering. If he did it because he agreed with it, good for him. If he did it solely to get elected, that does not take the country's well being into account. His job is not to get re-elected. His job is to do his job. Most politicians forget this.
    I don't think he did it, because he agreed with it. It's totally contray to everything he's said, up to this point.


    Perhaps, but he needed to do what is best for the country. Whether he gets re-elected or not is a DISTANT second to that.[/QUOTE]
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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How can cutting unemployment being a good thing, be a matter of perspective? That would mean that someone thinks that 9+% unemployment is healthy for the country.
    I completely misread what you wrote. You are correct.





    There's only one way to decrease the deficit; cut spending. As long as the, "poor man's party", is in control, giving **** away left and right, that's not going to happen.
    THAT'S a matter of perspective.





    Some are so brainwashed that their position is right, that they will go down in flames with their position and take the country with them.
    This I agree with completely. I hear it on both sides all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Figuring out how to coexist with either a method that uses positives from both sides, or one that is more apolitical and more research/expert oriented. The tenor of a lot of what we hear... and that I highlighted in the quotes in my OP demonstrate more of a "let's stick it to the other guy" than anything else. Perhaps if things get presented in a more objective way, then "the other guy is wrong" way, not only would a compromise be more palatable, but it might also be more beneficial and intelligent.
    I like the sound of that, but I think that there are two faulty assumptions here. The first is that it assumes I (the hypothetical, impersonal "I") would find anything positive at all about the political views of someone who has a particular political persuasion. The other, I think someone (maybe you) has already pointed out.

    There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. I've never found truly impartial research/experts about anything political, have you?

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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    The country is divided into warring camps, each of which seeks to impose it's will on the forces of it's opposition. The federal govt. is the creature used for this purpose. Political coexistence isn't possible unless each side stops attempting to impose it's will on the opposition. A looser form of union might be a means to an end considering the alternative.

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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actually, I don't miss the point that there is no best answer. I'd like to SEE a best answer, but I'd like to see that both sides agree that it is the best answer rather than mocking the other for losing, berating the other... or their own for "selling out", or congradulate themselves for winning. I really don't see the point, if the desire is to do the best for the country.

    I do agree, though, that the compromise was the best possible solution.
    Sadly I think both sides think they need to do this stuff to mollify the extremists who would prefer us to get nothing accomplished. Whether it is DeMint on one side or Sanders on the other, they will never be happy, unless they WIN, whatever that means.

    Just shake your head at the noise and be happy that the most reasonable folks got something done.

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