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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    All this sentiment about politicians just "doing what's best for the country" would carry a lot more weight if everyone actually agreed on what was best for the country. The fact that they don't is why we have all of this partisanship in the first place.
    I think everyone agrees that improving the economy is best for the country. No doubt about that, is there?

    There's a difference of opinion about how to achieve that goal.
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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think everyone agrees that improving the economy is best for the country. No doubt about that, is there?

    There's a difference of opinion about how to achieve that goal.
    That's sort of the issue I was pointing out.

    I, for one, do not think that tax breaks for the ruling class is beneficial to the economy.

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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You know the old saying... there are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statistics. Results are a matter of perspective in a lot of cases.
    Decreasing the deficit and cutting the unemployment rate by 3+ points would be good, based on a person's perspective?

    You must be saying that one side, or the other, doesn't want these events to take place. Which side you would point to, is the ultimate question. That would make you a hyper-partisan hack, no matter which side you chose.

    I think that both sides would love to see both/either of these happen. Their motivation may only be to get re-elected, but they want it to happen, just the same.
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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    All this sentiment about politicians just "doing what's best for the country" would carry a lot more weight if everyone actually agreed on what was best for the country. The fact that they don't is why we have all of this partisanship in the first place.
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    I think everyone agrees that improving the economy is best for the country. No doubt about that, is there?

    There's a difference of opinion about how to achieve that goal.
    The two of you are about as opposite as you can be, politically. Yet not only did you say nearly the same thing, but you are both spot on correct. So, let's take this a step further. How would the two of you... or anyone else address these differences? If everyone wants what's best for the country, yet folks disagree on how to achieve that, how does this get dealt with?
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    That's sort of the issue I was pointing out.

    I, for one, do not think that tax breaks for the ruling class is beneficial to the economy.
    The ruling class isn't getting a tax break.

    No matter what anyone says, the Bush tax cuts didn't cause the Great Depression II.
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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The two of you are about as opposite as you can be, politically. Yet not only did you say nearly the same thing, but you are both spot on correct. So, let's take this a step further. How would the two of you... or anyone else address these differences? If everyone wants what's best for the country, yet folks disagree on how to achieve that, how does this get dealt with?
    With childish, partisan bickering.

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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No it would not Obama would just spend more. If Obama has not taken the stimulus and tarp money that was not spent and has not used it to pay down the debt what makes you think he will use any money to pay the debt. If Obama was concerned about the debt he would use the stimulus and tarp funds to pay unemployment benefits.
    Ask Conservative on who controls the purse strings in government

    (hint, he will say it is not the president buy congress)
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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Decreasing the deficit and cutting the unemployment rate by 3+ points would be good, based on a person's perspective?
    Decreasing the deficit? No. I think that is more of a universal issue... probably one of the vew. Cutting the unemployment reate by 3+ points? Yes, I think that's a matter of perspective.

    You must be saying that one side, or the other, doesn't want these events to take place. Which side you would point to, is the ultimate question. That would make you a hyper-partisan hack, no matter which side you chose.
    If we are discussing decreasing the deficit, and one side wants to block legislation that would accomplish this because it was proposed by the other side, I agree 100% with you. Other than that, I do not.

    I think that both sides would love to see both/either of these happen. Their motivation may only be to get re-elected, but they want it to happen, just the same.
    I think there is a difference though. Some want to do it to get elected. Some because they believe it's the right thing to do. I have a problem with the first group and dismiss their position as based on nothing. I can respect the second, but want to know where their "line" is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    With childish, partisan bickering.
    Unfortunately, you are right more often than not. I'm just curious if anyone has an alternate thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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    Re: WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The two of you are about as opposite as you can be, politically. Yet not only did you say nearly the same thing, but you are both spot on correct. So, let's take this a step further. How would the two of you... or anyone else address these differences? If everyone wants what's best for the country, yet folks disagree on how to achieve that, how does this get dealt with?
    Whom ever has the biggest dick--politically speaking--get's their way on the policy.

    Right now, that's the Republicans and I'm glad of it, because I like their strategy.

    Obama didn't cut this deal, because he had to, or because he's a pussy. He wants, very badly, to get re-elected. personally, I think he's **** out of luck, but I think he believes that this is the best deal he could make and accomplish that goal.

    The last thing he wanted, was to be the guy who raised everyone's taxes. That would have nailed his political coffin shut, tighter than a crab's ass...and, that's water tight.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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