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    Re: Berkeley Mulls Resolution to Honor Army Private Accused of Leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I agree. The one thing I like about wikileaks is that it allows ME to read, without spin, what happened, what was said, etc. What media outlet can we say that about in the U.S. these days?

    even if I liked that. I'd still want a bullet in assfaces face anus.


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    Re: Berkeley Mulls Resolution to Honor Army Private Accused of Leaks

    So what if the enemy is reading it? That claim does not hold water, bro. Dyncorp should have zero expectation of protection in this scenario.

    You know this is nothing new for those assholes...

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    Re: Berkeley Mulls Resolution to Honor Army Private Accused of Leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I was just trying to speak your language, bro.

    You went all philosophical on me, instead of just answering the question. Does that information warrant being known or not?
    There was nothing philosophical about what I said. I merely pointed out that ends don't justify the means and two wrongs don't make a right.
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    Re: Berkeley Mulls Resolution to Honor Army Private Accused of Leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    There was nothing philosophical about what I said. I merely pointed out that ends don't justify the means and two wrongs don't make a right.
    The problem is that I didn't ask if two wrongs made a right. I asked if the information warranted being shared with the American public. That's a yes or no question, not an essay, bro.

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    Re: Berkeley Mulls Resolution to Honor Army Private Accused of Leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The problem is that I didn't ask if two wrongs made a right. I asked if the information warranted being shared with the American public. That's a yes or no question, not an essay, bro.
    The answer has been given. You just don't like it or don't comprehend it. Either way, your question was answered.
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    Re: Berkeley Mulls Resolution to Honor Army Private Accused of Leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    The answer has been given. You just don't like it or don't comprehend it. Either way, your question was answered.
    Please point out the answer in your response:
    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Hoy. Can you not see that the ends don't always justify the means?
    So, what you're saying is that you're glad the information about this terrible wrongdoing came to light, but you're squeamish about the method? Did I accurately interpret your "hoy"?

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    Re: Berkeley Mulls Resolution to Honor Army Private Accused of Leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Please point out the answer in your response:
    That wasn't my initial response, this was:

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Value to me and the right thing to do are two wholly separate issues. It's like walking in on your wife having an affair. When she see's you she exclaims "He gave me herpies and you probably have it to." Now, was it wrong of here to have the affair? Absolutely! Was it helpful for her to tell me about the herpies? Absolutely! Does that make the affair ok? Hell no!
    So, what you're saying is that you're glad the information about this terrible wrongdoing came to light, but you're squeamish about the method? Did I accurately interpret your "hoy"?
    No, you didn't get that from the "hoy" you got it from my first response and your characterization is lacking (I suspect intentionally).

    It is absolutely wrong for this person to steal documents and release them, putting innocent people in harms way, so that the few documents that are worth releasing are found out by the world. Further, because of his method, the US will be absolved of all issues (serious or not). They will be absolved like Letterman was absolved when he was blackmailed. The world has a forgiving eye for those that are made the victim regardless of their wrongs.

    So, no matter how you approach this, it was wrong for him to release this information. He is directly responsible for hurting people, he didn't accomplish his goals and he did it all in violation of the law. It was a triple lose.

    Oh, and, because all this information was obtained illegally, companies like Dyncorp now have immunity for their crimes. Does that make you happy?
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    Re: Berkeley Mulls Resolution to Honor Army Private Accused of Leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    It is absolutely wrong for this person to steal documents and release them
    Most people agree that it was wrong for Private Manning to leak classified documents.

    putting innocent people in harms way,
    Who was put in harm's way by leaking the cable about dyncorp?

    There's a difference between leaking the documents and publishing them.

    Further, because of his method, the US will be absolved of all issues (serious or not). They will be absolved like Letterman was absolved when he was blackmailed. The world has a forgiving eye for those that are made the victim regardless of their wrongs.
    I see no evidence of this.

    So, no matter how you approach this, it was wrong for him to release this information. He is directly responsible for hurting people, he didn't accomplish his goals and he did it all in violation of the law. It was a triple lose.
    What laws did Assange violate?

    Oh, and, because all this information was obtained illegally, companies like Dyncorp now have immunity for their crimes. Does that make you happy?
    It doesn't work like that, bro. That's a check on governmental powers. The government (city, state, county, federal) cannot illegally collect evidence on you, in violation of your rights, and then prosecute you using that evidence. There are no such protections for the government. Dyncorp has zero immunity because these cables were leaked.

    When you make comments like that, it makes me wonder if you understand the topic.

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    Re: Berkeley Mulls Resolution to Honor Army Private Accused of Leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Most people agree that it was wrong for Private Manning to leak classified documents.



    Who was put in harm's way by leaking the cable about dyncorp?
    They Dyncorp employees that had absolutely nothing to do with/knowledge of the accused activities...of which the "evidence" is rather weak any way.

    There's a difference between leaking the documents and publishing them.
    No there isn't.

    I see no evidence of this.



    What laws did Assange violate?
    Soliciting classified documents.


    It doesn't work like that, bro. That's a check on governmental powers. The government (city, state, county, federal) cannot illegally collect evidence on you, in violation of your rights, and then prosecute you using that evidence. There are no such protections for the government. Dyncorp has zero immunity because these cables were leaked.

    When you make comments like that, it makes me wonder if you understand the topic.
    Actually, it does work like that. Because the person that leaked the information is a government employee and the people that would be held accountable do have rights, none of the information is useable.
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    Re: Berkeley Mulls Resolution to Honor Army Private Accused of Leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    They Dyncorp employees that had absolutely nothing to do with/knowledge of the accused activities...of which the "evidence" is rather weak any way.
    Evidence to support this claim?

    No there isn't.
    Actually, there is. See Pentagon Papers.

    Soliciting classified documents.
    You mean Julian Assange personally contacted Private Manning and asked him to leak classified documents? That's what soliciting means.

    Actually, it does work like that. Because the person that leaked the information is a government employee and the people that would be held accountable do have rights, none of the information is useable.
    My god, why do I do this to myself?

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