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Protectionist said:
The poll is called Pew Global Attitudes Project Muslim Survey

Sure, let's take a look at it. Admitedly I'm cherry-picking here, but the important thing is that all posted here is factual, and downright scary. And these are countries with relatively friendly populations (to the West). What if Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, et al less friendly were included in this survey ?

Question : Is It Good or Bad That Islam Plays a Part In Politics ?

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Egypt - 95%
Indonesia - 95%
Pakistan - 88%
Nigeria - 88%
Lebanon - 72%

Question : Gender Segregation in the Workplace

(Favor)
Pakistan - 85%
Egypt - 54%
Jordan - 50%
Nigeria - 49%

Question : Views of Harsh Punishments

Favor stoning people who commit adultery
Egypt - 84%
Jordan - 86%
Pakistan - 76%
Nigeria - 51%
Indonesia - 30%

Whippings/Cutting off hands for theft
Pakistan - 82%
Egypt - 77%
Nigeria - 65%
Jordan - 58%
Indonesia - 36%

Favor Death Penalty for people who leave Muslim religion
Egypt - 84%
Jordan - 86%
Pakistan - 76%
Nigeria - 51%
Indonesia - 30%
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Ah yes, religion of peace. No different than any other religion.

Except for almost everything they do and believe.
 
Erod said:
Ah yes, religion of peace. No different than any other religion.

Except for almost everything they do and believe.
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I am not going to be delusional and call it a religion of peace but it is wrong to say that it has A LOT of differences as compared to other religions. Afterall, it is a part of the abrahamic religions. So the Jews, Muslims and Christains all believe in the same God, the difference is that Jews believe the messiah hasn't come down yet but obviously, Jesus is believe to be the messiah for Christians and Muhammad for Islam. With that said, it is worth being noted that Jesus is one the most quoted prophet in the Qu'ran.

Now to address the peace aspect. I feel it is wrong to differentiate or say it is more violent then the other abrahamic religions. Though I think it is contemptible to kill others for your religion, it is by no means exclusively an Islamic trait. For example, the biggest one I can think of right now is the multiple Crusades, these were held by Christains. It caused much unnecessary violence and hate. In fact, it is easily one of the most avoidable wars of all time. Now you may say, well that was then this is now. But Christianity and Islam both have not changed in their ideology since. Not to mention that the actions may not be tied to Islam itself, it could be and is most likely propaganda by terrorist groups. Just like a Christian who kills in the name of God is not considered by most Christians a real one. Same could be said for a lot of Muslim people.

Just to clarify I myself don't believe in God, but I by no means am militant about it. I feel we should be accepting to people's beliefs as long as they aren't intolerant or harmful to other people. But I do oppose organized religion, but that is a totally different conversation entirely.
 
WeAreReborn said:
I am not going to be delusional and call it a religion of peace but it is wrong to say that it has A LOT of differences as compared to other religions. Afterall, it is a part of the abrahamic religions. So the Jews, Muslims and Christains all believe in the same God, the difference is that Jews believe the messiah hasn't come down yet but obviously, Jesus is believe to be the messiah for Christians and Muhammad for Islam. With that said, it is worth being noted that Jesus is one the most quoted prophet in the Qu'ran.

Now to address the peace aspect. I feel it is wrong to differentiate or say it is more violent then the other abrahamic religions. Though I think it is contemptible to kill others for your religion, it is by no means exclusively an Islamic trait. For example, the biggest one I can think of right now is the multiple Crusades, these were held by Christains. It caused much unnecessary violence and hate. In fact, it is easily one of the most avoidable wars of all time. Now you may say, well that was then this is now. But Christianity and Islam both have not changed in their ideology since. Not to mention that the actions may not be tied to Islam itself, it could be and is most likely propaganda by terrorist groups. Just like a Christian who kills in the name of God is not considered by most Christians a real one. Same could be said for a lot of Muslim people.

Just to clarify I myself don't believe in God, but I by no means am militant about it. I feel we should be accepting to people's beliefs as long as they aren't intolerant or harmful to other people. But I do oppose organized religion, but that is a totally different conversation entirely.
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Just out of curiosity...have you ever read the history of the multiple crusades?
 
VanceMack said:
Just out of curiosity...have you ever read the history of the multiple crusades?
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As in a book by that name or just understand the history in general? Because I do understand the history.. please refute the point if you disagree.
 
WeAreReborn said:
The first one is a blogspot written by an absolute idiot which is clear in the first sentence. The second one is just the FBI wanting to have more control and spy and again is not relevant. The third one is an isolated incident. So if you actually have legitimate proof, as in statistics, you should post them now. Because currently it is just displaying your massive ignorance.
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Actually, in regard to islamic terrorism, there are no "isolated incidents".

This will get you up to speed.

Jihad Watch
 
Grant said:
Actually, in regard to islamic terrorism, there are no "isolated incidents".

This will get you up to speed.

Jihad Watch
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I disagree. I read that website and the man's biography and I am not convinced... Though I agree Islam does in fact call for violence so does the bible. The bible does preach intolerance against homosexuality and women. Not to mention justifies slavery and extreme violent punishments. Does that mean the fundmental principles of Christianity is wrong? No but same could be said of Islam.
 
WeAreReborn said:
You make yourself hard to quote :/.

That is not at all true. I am completely aware of my surroundings and don't just sit in my house all day. The biggest gang we have are the Diablos which are just a bunch of punks who don't cause much damage.

No. What makes you racist is enjoying white privelege and wanting to keep it. Not being subject to it.

Why am I the fool? I in no way am in favor of the Mexican system or their government. I just have absolutely no problems against the people or them seeking help.
Such bold claims for having no ideas what schools I went to or what teachers I have had. In fact the majority of my teachers were moderates or conservatives. And by the time I was in highschool the only liberal ones had no authority over me because I already had my own opinion.
Incompetent is subjective. Not to mention the fact that this is irrelevant.
How apathetic and cold hearted. America destroyed their country for short term gain but you feel that fixing their economy, that would help America and Mexico is too much to ask?
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I'm not racist. I stopped being white long ago. You're the only white man here. I'm the father of a new race.

I don't think you understand White Privilege. White privilege is an artificial intellectual construct divorced from street level reality.

You remind me of a cat.
 
WeAreReborn said:
But there clearly was. But go ahead and continue on your overly aggressive conserative campaign, that will inevitably get you nowhere because people would prefer a civil debate. Not to mention my political ideologies are not at all liberal. I just feel people should view others, regardless of race or religion, with the utmost respect. In what way is that negative? Is it because you as a white male wish to have supremacy?
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Unlike you I dont scream racism everytime someone disagrees with me. You talk about being to tolerant yet show your true colors of your racism and untolerance just because I am white you think I am acting in supremacy manner. So you have white envy. Your problem not mine.
 
Heavy Duty said:
Unlike you I dont scream racism everytime someone disagrees with me. You talk about being to tolerant yet show your true colors of your racism and untolerance just because I am white you think I am acting in supremacy manner. So you have white envy. Your problem not mine.
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White envy? I am white myself. I am just saying you wish to keep your priveleges. And what he said was actually racist. I argue with non racist conservatives that guy and you clearly are racist though.
 
WeAreReborn said:
White envy? I am white myself. I am just saying you wish to keep your priveleges. And what he said was actually racist. I argue with non racist conservatives that guy and you clearly are racist though.
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Hey YT,

Don't leftists believe that all white people are beneficiaries of White Privilege? The answer is yes.

That means as a YT man you benefit from the institutional oppression of non-white people. Under your own leftist ideology you are the beneficiary of institutional racism.
 
WeAreReborn said:
The first one is a blogspot written by an absolute idiot which is clear in the first sentence. The second one is just the FBI wanting to have more control and spy and again is not relevant. The third one is an isolated incident. So if you actually have legitimate proof, as in statistics, you should post them now. Because currently it is just displaying your massive ignorance.
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Sez you. LOL LOL
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
Hey YT,

Don't leftists believe that all white people are beneficiaries of White Privilege? The answer is yes.

That means as a YT man you benefit from the institutional oppression of non-white people. Under your own leftist ideology you are the beneficiary of institutional racism.
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YT? I am the beneficiary, you are right, but I wish to destroy and abolish institutional racism, from Heavy Duty's posts he clearly does not.
 
WeAreReborn said:
I am not going to be delusional and call it a religion of peace but it is wrong to say that it has A LOT of differences as compared to other religions. Afterall, it is a part of the abrahamic religions. So the Jews, Muslims and Christains all believe in the same God, the difference is that Jews believe the messiah hasn't come down yet but obviously, Jesus is believe to be the messiah for Christians and Muhammad for Islam. With that said, it is worth being noted that Jesus is one the most quoted prophet in the Qu'ran.

Now to address the peace aspect. I feel it is wrong to differentiate or say it is more violent then the other abrahamic religions. Though I think it is contemptible to kill others for your religion, it is by no means exclusively an Islamic trait. For example, the biggest one I can think of right now is the multiple Crusades, these were held by Christains. It caused much unnecessary violence and hate. In fact, it is easily one of the most avoidable wars of all time. Now you may say, well that was then this is now. But Christianity and Islam both have not changed in their ideology since. Not to mention that the actions may not be tied to Islam itself, it could be and is most likely propaganda by terrorist groups. Just like a Christian who kills in the name of God is not considered by most Christians a real one. Same could be said for a lot of Muslim people.

Just to clarify I myself don't believe in God, but I by no means am militant about it. I feel we should be accepting to people's beliefs as long as they aren't intolerant or harmful to other people. But I do oppose organized religion, but that is a totally different conversation entirely.
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To say that Islam is not more violent than the other religions is one of the most clear-cut absurdities I've ever heard in this forum. In it's bloody 1400 year history, Islam has killed 270 million people on earth : 120 million Africans, 60 million Christians, 80 million Hindus, and 10 million Buddists.
(Jamie Glazov, The Infidel Revolution", frontpagemag.com, Feb. 21, 2007).

Also absurd, is to try to pin blame for the violence of the Crusades on the Crusaders. The Crusades were a response to 477 years of Muslim genocidal imperialism, along with all the other depraved behaviors common to Islam. If anything can be attributed to the Crusaders and the Church behind them, it might be the astounding patience and abnormal level of tolerance they displayed by having waited so incredibly long before taking action against these thugs in all their conquest.

As far as "accepting to people's beliefs as long as they aren't intolerant or harmful to other people" is concerned, good thought. But Islam is the last entity on earth it could ever apply to. Islam wrote the book(s) on intolerance and harm, specifically the Koran and Hadith, and have been consistent with that behavior for 1400 years, during which time no reformation of Islam or the Koran, though badly needed, has occured. In 1400 years, not one word of the Koran has been changed. It is also false to say that Christianity has not changed its ideology. It was changed a great deal with the Reformation in the 16th century.

"Not to mention that the actions may not be tied to Islam itself, it could be and is most likely propaganda by terrorist groups. Just like a Christian who kills in the name of God is not considered by most Christians a real one. Same could be said for a lot of Muslim people".

FALSE ! The Muslim who kills in the name of Allah is very much considered to be a real Muslim. That's because the Koran not only advocates the killing of "infidels", it commands Muslims to do that. So rather than blame terrorism on the individual terrorist groups, as is proclaimed here, the blame really lies not as much with them as it might seem, and really with the Koran, which is compelling them to do what they do.
I'm not saying that the terrorists are innocent. All adults are aware enough that murder is wrong, but in the case of Muslim terrorists, they are brought up from children to believe that the killing of infidels is proper and necessary.

The terrorists did not create the Koran. It is the Koran (Islam) that created the terrorists.

1. "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, [even if they are] the people of the Book [Christians and Jews], until they pay with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.." (the Koran 9:29).

2. "Allah purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs in return is the Garden of Paradise: they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth (the Koran 9:111).

3. "Slay the idolators wherever you find them." (the Koran 9:5).

4. "I will inspire terror in the hearts of Unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them" (the Koran 8:2).
 
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WeAreReborn said:
YT? I am the beneficiary, you are right, but I wish to destroy and abolish institutional racism, from Heavy Duty's posts he clearly does not.
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So you then would wish to destroy race-based affiramtive action, right ? It's institutional racism, all the way.
(Note : affirmative action has been ruled unconstitutional by the SCOTUS, in the recent Ricci vs. DeStefano case, and has been banned in some states, ex. California).
 
WeAreReborn said:
The first one is a blogspot written by an absolute idiot which is clear in the first sentence. The second one is just the FBI wanting to have more control and spy and again is not relevant. The third one is an isolated incident. So if you actually have legitimate proof, as in statistics, you should post them now. Because currently it is just displaying your massive ignorance.
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Invalidation is hardwired with Islamapologists. If they don't like the message, they attack the messenger. Ho hum. What else is new ?

Anyone who thinks terrorism and/or Stealth Jihad isn't being cooked up as a main course in 80% of America's mosques, is delusional.
 
Protectionist said:
Invalidation is hardwired with Islamapologists. If they don't like the message, they attack the messenger. Ho hum. What else is new ?

Anyone who thinks terrorism and/or Stealth Jihad isn't being cooked up as a main course in 80% of America's mosques, is delusional.
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You have been to 80% of Mosques and listened to what they preach? If so I guess I can trust that.
 
Protectionist said:
To say that Islam is not more violent than the other religions is one of the most clear-cut absurdities I've ever heard in this forum. In it's bloody 1400 year history, Islam has killed 270 million people on earth : 120 million Africans, 60 million Christians, 80 million Hindus, and 10 million Buddists.
(Jamie Glazov, The Infidel Revolution", frontpagemag.com, Feb. 21, 2007).
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Can you show me what incidents these murders took place?

Also absurd, is to try to pin blame for the violence of the Crusades on the Crusaders. The Crusades were a response to 477 years of Muslim genocidal imperialism, along with all the other depraved behaviors common to Islam. If anything can be attributed to the Crusaders and the Church behind them, it might be the astounding patience and abnormal level of tolerance they displayed by having waited so incredibly long before taking action against these thugs in all their conquest.
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"Because the First Crusade was largely concerned with Jersualem, a city which had not been under Christian dominion for 461 years..." -Wikipedia
Yeah, sounds like so Muslims were the aggressors in this case...

As far as "accepting to people's beliefs as long as they aren't intolerant or harmful to other people" is concerned, good thought. But Islam is the last entity on earth it could ever apply to. Islam wrote the book(s) on intolerance and harm, specifically the Koran and Hadith, and have been consistent with that behavior for 1400 years, during which time no reformation of Islam or the Koran, though badly needed, has occured. In 1400 years, not one word of the Koran has been changed. It is also false to say that Christianity has not changed its ideology. It was changed a great deal with the Reformation in the 16th century.
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When I meant ideology I meant overall thought process, I am well aware of the different splits of the Catholic Church that had occurred, and in some cases still occurs. But in referring to Islam, it does have a lot of good intentions as well and over looking these would be an injustice. For instance, Ramadan is a fasting month, in which the participants cannot eat during the day. This is done so to remember the poor and the conditions in which they suffer. Also, a devout Muslim gives 1/40 of their income away to help the poor. Though it might seem small, it can help as it does build up.


FALSE ! The Muslim who kills in the name of Allah is very much considered to be a real Muslim. That's because the Koran not only advocates the killing of "infidels", it commands Muslims to do that. So rather than blame terrorism on the individual terrorist groups, as is proclaimed here, the blame really lies not as much with them as it might seem, and really with the Koran, which is compelling them to do what they do.
I'm not saying that the terrorists are innocent. All adults are aware enough that murder is wrong, but in the case of Muslim terrorists, they are brought up from children to believe that the killing of infidels is proper and necessary.
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"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through." Zechariah 13:3 NAB
Islam is not the only violent religion.
 
The attitudes Islam holds toward governance in their Eastern homelands are the same as they were 50, 100, 200 years ago, when Jefferson dealt with the Barbary pirates. And centuries beyond that. Nothing new here. What the hell is with all of this moral relativism going on? We all know Islam is barbaric in its extremes. Why do people keep needing validation of this? Unless, of course, they're birthers building a case or a miserable human being looking for permission to kill someone.

To me, the real question is this: How do Western Muslims feel about these practices? What of 2ed and 3ed generation Muslim/Americans? What about Americans and European Muslims who have been in their respective nations for centuries, serving their nations and communities honorably? What about white American converts who attend Mosque?

I think we need to place more trust in the constitution, the judicial system, and the American spirit in general. Something like this has about as much chance of taking hold in America as Spanish being declared the national language by the Roberts Court. Cultural disdain is not going to change hearts and minds and it won't stop getting innocent people killed. The average Muslim, like your average Christian or Jew, say they believe a lot of things.
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
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Are you ever on topic? Trolls with Nazi posts....
 
apdst said:
Yes! Muslim extremists operate within the Muslim community. It's up to the Muslim community, to work together and destroy that sanctuary. However, all we seem to hear from the Muslims is, "I don't condone terrorism, but I agree with why it happens".
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This is why many Americans are angry with Muslims today. After 9/11 the American Muslim community could have stepped up and raised hell, like they did over the Ground Zero mosque fight.

A lot of time has passed since 911 and Americans are becoming more anti Muslim than ever before. It isn’t because Americans are bigots, it’s because Muslim Americans are more Muslim than American.
 
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