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    Re: Arrest made in plot to blow up area military recruiting center

    Quote Originally Posted by E_Pluribus_Venom View Post
    What evidence have you encountered that indicates a prevalent mentality that attempts to push a radical agenda? Where are the massive (or atleast significant) calls for an inclusion of theology w/ state legislation from the oh so intrusive radical islam? It appears that atheists are more apt to remove God from governing institutions at a rate that out-paces muslims trying to include it (if it even exists). How large is the muslim caucas in this country?

    My evidence shows itself in the lack of meaningful instances people can point to that suggests an aggressive movement of radicalized islam in this country.
    There are two methods of war going on, one from the militants and one from the moderates.

    I think we know how the militants operate. These are the ones who will riot and murder of something like the Mohammed cartoons, intimidating anyone critical of Islam either through the courts, charging of "racist" or "Islamophobia" and so on, or merely remarking that it can't be helped if someone mind kill them for making an offensive remark concerning Mohammed.. This has led to self censorship, of course.

    The 'moderates' will be be like the recent case of woman who is suing the school board because she can't travel to Mecca while school is in session. The idea is to claim special rights because you are a Muslims and charges of religious discrimination if you don't get your way. Of course this could allow the militants to move in also if things don't go in their favour.

    Thus the attack is on more than one level. Islam could never conquer the West on military terms so they'll do it domestically through differing methods. You'll notice a big change by 2020 but it will have arrived a little at a time, which is why its called Stealth Jihad.

    Opposing Views: School District Won't Let Teacher Go to Mecca; She Sues

    It should be noted here that the US Attorney General has come out in support of this woman and will be involved in the legal process. This should involve quite a precedent.


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    Re: Arrest made in plot to blow up area military recruiting center

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There are two methods of war going on, one from the militants and one from the moderates.

    I think we know how the militants operate. These are the ones who will riot and murder of something like the Mohammed cartoons, intimidating anyone critical of Islam either through the courts, charging of "racist" or "Islamophobia" and so on, or merely remarking that it can't be helped if someone mind kill them for making an offensive remark concerning Mohammed.. This has led to self censorship, of course.

    The 'moderates' will be be like the recent case of woman who is suing the school board because she can't travel to Mecca while school is in session. The idea is to claim special rights because you are a Muslims and charges of religious discrimination if you don't get your way. Of course this could allow the militants to move in also if things don't go in their favour.
    People suing an organization over religious beliefs/perceived requirements is nothing exclusive to people of the islamic faith. Take Mark Buehler, who (in march) filed a similar lawsuit with the equal employment opportunity commission because he feels he (a baptist) was forced to work on Sundays (the Sabbath). Even with cases like these... there is no proof of some sort of stealth move to change the American way of life. They're filing lawsuits because they felt they were victims, and playing the victim isn't (by any measure) an indication of covert non-violent terrorism. Damn those stealth baptists...
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    Re: Arrest made in plot to blow up area military recruiting center

    Quote Originally Posted by E_Pluribus_Venom View Post
    People suing an organization over religious beliefs/perceived requirements is nothing exclusive to people of the islamic faith. Take Mark Buehler, who (in march) filed a similar lawsuit with the equal employment opportunity commission because he feels he (a baptist) was forced to work on Sundays (the Sabbath). Even with cases like these... there is no proof of some sort of stealth move to change the American way of life. They're filing lawsuits because they felt they were victims, and playing the victim isn't (by any measure) an indication of covert non-violent terrorism. Damn those stealth baptists...
    OK, you haven't read the articles and have no nterest, Fair enough,

    You may feel you know better but there are many Muslims themselves who are saying otherwise.

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    Re: Arrest made in plot to blow up area military recruiting center

    Quote Originally Posted by E_Pluribus_Venom View Post
    What evidence have you encountered that indicates a prevalent mentality that attempts to push a radical agenda? Where are the massive (or atleast significant) calls for an inclusion of theology w/ state legislation from the oh so intrusive radical islam? It appears that atheists are more apt to remove God from governing institutions at a rate that out-paces muslims trying to include it (if it even exists). How large is the muslim caucas in this country?

    My evidence shows itself in the lack of meaningful instances people can point to that suggests an aggressive movement of radicalized islam in this country.
    This last sentence is clear as a bell evidence that you haven't done the homework on Stealth Jihad, and you are commenting on something you are unschooled. You , like many people, simply don't know how much you don't know. "Lack of meaningful instances" ? LOL. It's like saying Babe Ruth wasn't a good home run hitter. What instances can anyone show of Babe Ruth ever hitting very many home runs ?" LOL.

    All right, Mr. Talk Without Researching, I have already pointed to dozens of meaningful instances (they are all connected to the long list of names & things associated with Stealth Jihad). It's a very decentralized thing. Do you expect Grant or me to sit here and type out the hundreds (if not thousands of examples) ? The very fact that you are unaware of all these proves that you just haven't done the reading. So here it is again. Read, Baby Read. Then come back, fully informed, and participate in the discussion from a point of knowledge. These names and things are all taken from the book "They Must Be Stopped" by Brigitte Gabriel. You can look them up individually in the book (page #s provided), or you can Google them. Talking from ignorance (simply because you haven't committed the research time/effort) doesn't help anyone here.


    1. How many of the 5 books I suggested have you read ? (careful - there could be a quiz)

    a. They Must Be Stopped, Brigitte Gabriel.

    b. Stealth Jihad, Robert Spencer.

    c. Muslim Mafia, P. David Gaubatz, Paul Sperry:

    d. Infiltration, Paul Sperry.

    e. Shariah : the Threat to America, Center for Security Policy.

    2. How many of these people can you identify and how they're connected to Islamization (AKA Stealth Jihad) ?

    Ibin Tamiyah, the Madhi, Sheik Ahmed Yassin, Sami al-Arian, Ramadan Abdallah Shallah, Mazen al-Najjar, Richard A. Clarke, Imam Muzzamil Siddiqui, Susan Douglas, Peter DiGangi, William Bennetta, Gilbert Sewall (pg. 96), Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, al-Hajj Talib'Abur, Rashid Sahmsi Ali, Khalid Latif, Omar Mohammedi, Joe Kaufman, Chantal Carnes, Hasan al-Banna (creator of the Muslim Brotherhood-I'll give you that one), Tariq Ramadan, Siraj Wahhaj, Mozen Mokhtar, Nouman Ali Khan, Abdul Malik (pg. 103), Imam Badawi, Br. Jawad Ahmad, Hassan Abbas, Mullah Abdul Rashid Ghazi, Sheik Mjed 'Abd al-Rahman al-Firian, Prince Sultan Ibn Abd al-'Aziz, Ali al-Ahmed, Itamar Marcus, Barbara Cook, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, Mohammed Osman Idris, Mohammed el-Yacoubi, Abu Abdullah, Baitullah Mehsud, Yunis al-Astal, Zeyno Baran (pg. 122) Aaron Klein, Muhammad Abdel-El, Sheik Yasser Hamad, Nur Mohammad, Ahmed Yassin (deceased), Sheik Abdel Rahman, Sheik Mohammed bin Rashid AL Maktoum, Abdullah Azzam, Fazlur Rehman Khalil (pg. 128), Mohammad Elachmi Hamdi, Bat Ye'or, Max Steenberghe, Anders Fogh Ramussen, Paul Jeeves (pg. 139), Yusuf al-Qarodawi, Bashar al-Assad, Robert S. Leiken, Theo Van Gogh, Michel Gurfinkel, Imam Ahmed Salam, Piet Hein Donner, Miguel Angel Toma (pg.152), Salah Yassin, Hassan Nasrallah, Ahmed Assad Barakat, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Bashar al-Assad, Adolpho Aguilar Zinser, Joseph Farah, Nabil al-Marabh, Raed Hijazi, David Harris, Syed Mumtaz Ali, Omar Ahmad, Ibrahim Hooper, Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, Dr. Paul Williams (pg. 167), Hassan al Turabi, Clement Rodney Hampton-El, Kevin James, Warner MacKenzie, Sayeed Abdul A'la Maududi, Abdullah Yusef Ali, Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall, Nessim Joseph Dawood, Mohammed Habib Shakir, Arthur John Arberry, Aqsa Parvez, Atefeh Rajabi, (pg. 179), Francis Bok, Michael Coren, Homaidan Ali Al-Turki, Sheik Saleh Al-Fawzan, Paul Marshall, Koenraad Elst, Tom Clancy, Phil Alden Robinson, Michael Graham, Thomas Klocek, Stephen Coughlin, Hasham Islam, Steven Emerson, Mordechai Nisan, Abduraman Alamoudi, Ramadan Abdallah Shallah, Musa Abu Marzook, Keith Ellison (pg. 200), Abdullah al-Arian, Jamal-al-Din al-Afghani, James Woolsey, Walid Phares, Guy Rodgers, Brigitte Gabriel, Robert Spencer.

    3. How many of these things related to Islamization can you identify and say how they are related ?

    Hijra, jizyah, Istanbul, Al-Quds, Al-Aqsa mosque, Napoleon Bonaparte (pg. 36), treaty of Al-Hudaybiyah, Oslo Accords, the Mahdi, Al-Ansar, 2006 Pentagon report : "Motivations of Muslim Suicide Bombers" (pg.63), "The Project", the Muslim Brotherhood, the Ikhwan, Taqiyya (pg. 76), Da'wa, Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), Holy Land Foundation trials - 2007 & 2008, Khalil Gibran Academy, US Treasury Dept. (Office of Foreign Asset Control), Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), Muslim American Society (MSA), United States Counterinsurgency Manual FM 3-24, US Justice Dept. report - 2004 (pg. 82), US Justice Dept. report - 2007, abeds, North American Islamic Trust, Islamic Council for North America, United Association for Studies and Research, Muslim American Youth Association, the Hamas Charter, Islamic Academy of Florida (pg. 89), Palestinian Islamic Jihad, American Youth Academy, New Horizons Schools, DawaNet—to link • to serve: Home with sections entitled "How to Make America an Islamic Nation" and Da'wa in Public Schools, Excelsior Elementary School, Thomas Moore Law Center, Islamic Saudi Academy, "The Islam Project" by the Council on Islamic Education, the Arab World History Notebook, "Across the Centuries", California Academy of Sciences, "World Cultures : A Global Mosaic", American Textbook Council (pg. 96), "Islam and the Textbooks", Arab American Family Support Center (AAFSC), Mosque of Islamic Brotherhood's Boy Scout program (MIB), Americans Against Hate, CAIR Watch, the Young Muslims, Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), Jamaat-e-Islami, Young Muslim Sisters (YMS), Middle East Media Research Institute (pg. 105), US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), Freedom House, Institute for Gulf Affairs, Palestinian Media Watch (pg. 110), "Contemporary Problems", "History of the Arabs and the World in the 20th Century", Reading and Text Part II, Association of Independent Schools, ISA accreditation, Center for Religious Freedom, Hizb ut-Tahrir al-Islami, Islamic Party of Liberation, Al-Aksa TV of Hamas, Hudson institute (pg. 119), Popular Resistance Committee, "Schmoozing With Terrorists", US House of Representitives, Abu Dhabi Investment Authority (pg.124), "Eurabia, the Euro-Arab Axis", European Union, the Arab League,"Foreign Affairs" - "Europe's Angry Muslims", Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), Sharee Council of Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, Immigration and National Security Program at the Nixon Center (pg. 140), Sukuk, Sharia compliant banks, Saxony-Anhalt, piggy banks in England, foot washing basins (Kansas City Airport & University of Michigan), "Britain's Daily Mail" - "Multiculturalsim Drives Young Muslims to Shun British Values", Nationa Intelligence Council, www.islamonline.net, "Valeurs Actuelles", the triple border region, UN Security Council, House Homeland Security Committee subcommittee on investigations report : "A Line In the Sand: Confronting the Threat At the Southwest Border", OTMs, Jamaat ul-Fuqra (pg. 156), Muslims of the Americas, the FBI, Canadian Security Intelligence Service, "TD Monthly", halal chicken, ACLU, the Date Frappuccino, Open Society Foundation, Whiting Foundation, hijab, Transportation & Safety Admin. (TSA), "New Media Journal" report - "In the Belly of the Beast: Jamaat ul-Fuqra, Jamaat ul-Fuqra mosque (Brooklyn, NY), Koran: 4:34, honor killings, the Alec file (pg. 167), Jamiyyat Ul-Islam, It's the Ideology Stupid,Tad-ru-bu-hu-nna, Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (pg. 177), UN Children's Fund, the Population Council - 2003 survey, m'uta, Haratines, Janjaweed, Dinka tribe, "Escape From Slavery" (pg. 185), Toronto Sun online - "Slavery Lives in the Sudan", Middle East Forum - "The Problem with Slavery", Saudi Arabia Senior Council of Clerics, Human Rights Watch, Middle East Forum, Copts, Baha'i sect of Islam, "Islam : From Toleration to Terror" (pg. 188), Hizb ut-Tahrir, Jyllands-Posten, "The Sum of All Fears" (pg. 193), University of South Florida, Palistinian Islamic Jihad, "Future Jihad" (pg.215).

    I can identify every one of these people and things, and I'm just a novice in this subject. That might give you an idea of how green you are in it. That's OK. Everyone starts out that way. Important thing is to get informed, and talk from strength. Talking, while uninformed, is about as hard to spot as an elephant in an open field.
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    Re: Arrest made in plot to blow up area military recruiting center

    This last sentence is clear as a bell evidence that you haven't done the homework on Stealth Jihad, and you are commenting on something you are unschooled. You , like many people, simply don't know how much you don't know.
    It's the typical liberal knee-jerk reaction, Protectionist, feeling that there is a line which must not be crossed for fear of being named "Racist", "Islamophobe", "paranoid", oir any of the other epithets many use as a substitute for facts or honest debate.

    He's a product of the environment that has created this somewhat parallel universe between what's really happening and that which people refuse to see, or even try to understand. Something similar happened during the Cold War..

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    Re: Arrest made in plot to blow up area military recruiting center

    What....The....****!
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    Re: Arrest made in plot to blow up area military recruiting center

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post

    It's a nice thought. Loving your enemies. Only problem is, loving jihadists, whether they be violent now, or Stealth Jihadists ("moderate" now, violent later) is asking to have millions of people killed, subjugated, enslaved, pedophiled, etc. As a protectionist, that is unacceptable to me, and I don't care who said it.
    That's fine, as long as you are consistent. But too many ultra-conservatives like to pretend they're Jesus People, too (and most actually believe they are).
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    Re: Arrest made in plot to blow up area military recruiting center

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's the typical liberal knee-jerk reaction, Protectionist, feeling that there is a line which must not be crossed for fear of being named "Racist", "Islamophobe", "paranoid", oir any of the other epithets many use as a substitute for facts or honest debate.

    He's a product of the environment that has created this somewhat parallel universe between what's really happening and that which people refuse to see, or even try to understand. Something similar happened during the Cold War..
    That, or ultra-cons are really, really paranoid. I'm goin' with the latter.

    As for your ideas that ignorance created this nation's attitudes toward the world, I suggest you are way off on that one. Freedom Of Religion formed the national consciousness. We do not turn our backs on the weak, the victimized, the exploited - regardless of who they are. We chose to be a predominantly Christian nation and certain responsibilities come with that, both foreign and domestic. Again, I didn't write the book.

    Here's another Gem for you fine ultra-cons: Luke 14:12-14

    "Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee. But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind: And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just."

    I really like the KJV, don't you? Something about the formal olde English. Love it.
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    Re: Arrest made in plot to blow up area military recruiting center

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    That, or ultra-cons are really, really paranoid. I'm goin' with the latter.
    Who are these "ultra-cons"?

    Is that a recently coined term?

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    Re: Arrest made in plot to blow up area military recruiting center

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    Who are these "ultra-cons"?

    Is that a recently coined term?
    Lol. No, that's mine. An "original," if you will.
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