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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Why in the world would something STAYING THE SAME suddenly cause a massive change? The argument is that by doing this it will keep it from getting worse, not that it'll be a magical cure all. There's far, far more things wrong with the economy right now than simply the tax level, and keeping it the same as before isn't going to magically fix it.

    Much like tieing a tourniquet around a wound isn't going to magically make the wound go away; its just going to keep it from getting worse.
    Ubercons here have been saying that as soon as business can predict their tax expenses, they will be more likely to add employees....have they been lying?
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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Ubercons here have been saying that as soon as business can predict their tax expenses, they will be more likely to add employees....have they been lying?
    No.

    If employment levels go up, they were right.

    If employment levels go down or stay the same, something Obama/the Democrats did is the reason, because everyone knows it takes a couple years for political changes to effect the market...

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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Why in the world would something STAYING THE SAME suddenly cause a massive change? The argument is that by doing this it will keep it from getting worse, not that it'll be a magical cure all. There's far, far more things wrong with the economy right now than simply the tax level, and keeping it the same as before isn't going to magically fix it.

    Much like tieing a tourniquet around a wound isn't going to magically make the wound go away; its just going to keep it from getting worse.
    first excuse has been made....
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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I don't expect things for free. What is up for debate is what should the federal govt do with the tax dollars it collects? What is up for debate is what services the govt. should provide. What is up for debate is how much federal/state/local taxes one should pay.

    I pay my taxes. I also live within my means. I make decisions on what I can and cannot afford. Let me ask you, do you think the govt is living within its means? Are you willing to pay more taxes for the govt to provide more "services" without making cuts in other areas to offset costs? IMO, the whole federal budget needs to be revamped from the ground up.
    Agree, now where do we find politicians with balls enough to make cuts across the board? From welfare recipeints to corporate level employees, cuts need to be made....
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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    still can't see past your own fingertips, huh?

    i'll give you a hint

    this deal is so toxic to the caucus, it might just fall apart

    and if it does, it will be for one reason---nancy, on behalf of the lynn woolsey's and george millers and anthony weiners of her world, MUTINIES

    how's that gonna make ya feel, libs?

    a nice fat DEMOCRAT CIVIL WAR

    i can tell you this (it's all over msnbc tonite)---house dems are FOR SURE gonna demand sweeteners

    and the house gop is (professionally) almost 100% silent

    it's NOT their move, y'see, it's NANCY's

    what that all means---if you sweeten this deal for ms lynn and her prog's, mr b's boys and broads will break

    and like i said...

    did you (no, you didn't, you were too busy clicking and submitting all your preconceived's) happen to catch ed and rachel and keith and lawrence o'd's panel tonite?

    fire breathing, baby

    you can't take that kinda stuff back

    why did obama call his last second press conference this afternoon, and why was he so bitchy?

    you want the link (you wouldn't read it)?

    why did he RACE TO THE MICROPHONES last nite, cutting his caucus out (they were brainstorming with biden), to proclaim this deal "the right thing to do?"

    why was biden so brutally bitched out (read politico)?

    o'donnell (former chief of staff to senate finance during the hillary health care wars) was maturely moderate tonite

    but his panel (excluding the nation's NUMBER ONE journo lister, wapo's ezra klein) was all for VETO

    howard fineman just reported on msnbc that the house caucus this evening is "throwing chairs against walls," he was speaking figuratively

    you'll see...

    tomorrow

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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Disneydude, try to not double or even triple comment, you can put it all into one :P

    As for the topic, if you're going to argue that taxes are theft then I don't see how a little bit of theft is okay. If tax is theft then there should be 0% tax, not 20 something.

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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Ubercons here have been saying that as soon as business can predict their tax expenses, they will be more likely to add employees....have they been lying?
    No, but they've also been saying that in the guise of a permanent, or long term tax extension. 2 years is essentially just kicking the can till the next presidential term...not really likely to improve greatly, but at least not letting it happen.

    Saying you'll get a raise the next two years and who knows after that is a lot different than saying you'll get one for the next ten years, or theoretically forever. Due to the compromise nature of this deal, like with most compromises, the positives one side see's gets watered down to get the other side on board.

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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    first excuse has been made....
    Explaining why your strawman wasn't correct isn't an excuse, its exposing your strawman.

    I don't know of any republican saying if we extend the Bush Tax cuts the economy will suddenly be sunshine and lollipops like you made it out to be. I don't know of many who were talking about a 2 year extension when talking about the certainty it would bring to employers, since the republicans where talking about a permanent extension or at least a lengthy one.

    Sorry, you don't get to throw strawmen out and then when people point out you're hanging out with the friend of the Cowardly Lion and the Tinman that they're just "making excuses"

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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    first excuse has been made....
    Explaining why your strawman wasn't correct isn't an excuse, its exposing your strawman.

    I don't know of any republican saying if we extend the Bush Tax cuts the economy will suddenly be sunshine and lollipops like you made it out to be. I don't know of many who were talking about a 2 year extension when talking about the certainty it would bring to employers, since the republicans where talking about a permanent extension or at least a lengthy one.

    Sorry, you don't get to throw strawmen out and then when people point out you're hanging out with the friend of the Cowardly Lion and the Tinman that they're just "making excuses"

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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Explaining why your strawman wasn't correct isn't an excuse, its exposing your strawman.

    I don't know of any republican saying if we extend the Bush Tax cuts the economy will suddenly be sunshine and lollipops like you made it out to be. I don't know of many who were talking about a 2 year extension when talking about the certainty it would bring to employers, since the republicans where talking about a permanent extension or at least a lengthy one.

    Sorry, you don't get to throw strawmen out and then when people point out you're hanging out with the friend of the Cowardly Lion and the Tinman that they're just "making excuses"
    You don't know any republicans who think that? where have you been?
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