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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I just found out something. The benefits don't apply to those unemployed for 99 wks. Only those on the other tiers. Olbermann is having a hissy fit over it right now. LOL Anything that makes him go spastic, I'm all for. :-)
    It will be great to see the final piece of legislation. I really hate to see unemployment payments extended whatever the number as 99 weeks are too much IMO. Heard tonight that there are 3.6 million job openings in the country today, almost the amount of the jobs lost in the last two years. Wonder how many of the chronically unemployed will apply?

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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    What cuts?

    You act like the money was guaranteed. It wasn't. The tax cuts were set to expire, but it would be plain historical ignorance to suggest that was some kind of guarantee that the taxes would return to the previous rates. Tax votes happened under the last 4 presidents at least, its incompetence to have thought the same wouldn't have happened this time. NOT getting money that was never guaranteed to you is not "adding" anything. If you think at the end of the year you're going to get a Christmas bonus and so you've bought a bunch of extra stuff assuming something that isn't guaranteed will happen, and on December 1st they decide not to give bonuses, they're not "adding" to your debt because you never truly had that money in the first place.

    I don't seem to remember the Democrats, in the past 4 years that they had the congress and the past 2 years when they had EVERYTHING, deciding to do anything about the deficit. On the contrary, I watched them in two years outdo all 8 of the Bush years with regards to deficit spending. And you want to bitch because theoretical money that was never guaranteed and was ignorance to bank on won't be there?

    Wild idea, do what they should've been doing the past four years, and republicans should've been doing the 6 years before that, and spend only what they actually are getting instead of more then they get...or hell, spend less.

    The Republicans don't need to explain to you why Democrats don't get more money to waste. The tax rates returning to a higher level was never a guarantee, so how about the Democrats actually look for solutions if they want to bitch rather than complaining they can't spend money they never had?

    But thanks for not asking my question...I'll ask again since you did the shuck and jive shuffle to avoid it.

    Tell me, SPECIFICALLY, is in the Bill that republicans pushed that ADDS to the Deficit.

    Still waiting for you to back up your statement Disney...or do you dodge away again?

    That's the thing about you Republicans, you want all kinds of tax breaks for the wealthy, but you have no ideas about how to fund them.
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    What dodge? GWB gave the wealthy huge tax breaks and drove our country to economic disaster. Now Republicans think that continuing these same failed economic policies is what we need to do to rescue our economy? So.....how are you proposing that we fund continuing these Bush hand outs?
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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Oh Puh-lease. Reagan gave the rich one of the biggest tax cuts in the history of this country.....GWB turned around and gave them even a bigger cut. As a result of Bush's tax cuts, the wealthy benefitted exponentially over the middle class and the working class and GWB's tax cuts drove this country to the brink of bankruptcy. The responsible thing would be to not only return our tax code to pre-Bush....but also pre-Reagan....the time when working class Americans could afford to buy a home. Where real "family values" allowed for a one parent working family.
    Republicans love to talk fiscal responsbility...but what they really mean is tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans and this was clearly exposed over the last week when Republicans refused to give tax breaks to the middle class and working class unless the wealthiest Americans get to take the largest chunk of it.

    Look at the list you put up...the only areas that Republicans are willing to cut are Medicare, Social Security and Education.
    Why didn't the Democrats do EXACTLY AS THEY WANTED with these tax cuts when they held their majority? Why did they wait until after the elections? They've had damn near two YEARS to address these tax cuts.

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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Its funny seeing all of these so called "fiscal conservatives" lauding this extension. I guess if "fiscal conservatism" means fiscal irresponsibility you might be accurate.
    How exactly did those Bush cuts help our economy the first time around?
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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Oh Puh-lease. Reagan gave the rich one of the biggest tax cuts in the history of this country.....GWB turned around and gave them even a bigger cut. As a result of Bush's tax cuts, the wealthy benefitted exponentially over the middle class and the working class and GWB's tax cuts drove this country to the brink of bankruptcy. The responsible thing would be to not only return our tax code to pre-Bush....but also pre-Reagan....the time when working class Americans could afford to buy a home. Where real "family values" allowed for a one parent working family.
    Republicans love to talk fiscal responsbility...but what they really mean is tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans and this was clearly exposed over the last week when Republicans refused to give tax breaks to the middle class and working class unless the wealthiest Americans get to take the largest chunk of it.

    Look at the list you put up...the only areas that Republicans are willing to cut are Medicare, Social Security and Education.
    You don't seem to have a clue, Reagan didn't give the rich anything. Do you understand the concept of earning your own money and thus having it taken by the govt? I worry about people like you. No matter how many times it is explained to you, you come back with the same argument over and over again.

    There are no tax cuts, there is an extension of the current tax rates or a tax hike. Obama extended the Bush tax cuts saying it was good for the country. You now saying that President you worshipped is wrong?

    As for Medicare and Social Security, they are funded separately and have no business ON budget. Education is a state responsibility so why is the a line item for Education? You just found 125 billion to cut, good job, keep going.

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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What dodge? GWB gave the wealthy huge tax breaks and drove our country to economic disaster. Now Republicans think that continuing these same failed economic policies is what we need to do to rescue our economy? So.....how are you proposing that we fund continuing these Bush hand outs?
    complete BS. the dems were the ones who pushed huge tax hikes on the rich. tax hikes we never really needed.

    but FDR violated the tenth amendment and massively increased the government

    there is your answer about how to "fund" tax cuts which are not handouts

    handouts are given liberal voters MY money so they will vote for the people who TAKE my money

    that is a handout



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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Well you got your wish, now you can stop bitching about the deficit... right? Because these tax cuts are gonna add a ****load more to it.
    Yes, the Repubicans have certainly shown us they have no real concern for the deficit. Hypocrites!

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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Its funny seeing all of these so called "fiscal conservatives" lauding this extension. I guess if "fiscal conservatism" means fiscal irresponsibility you might be accurate.
    How exactly did those Bush cuts help our economy the first time around?
    8.5 million jobs and 4.5 trillion added to the GDP. Seems "your" President is also lauding the extension as "being right for America." Is there trouble in paradise?

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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You don't seem to have a clue, Reagan didn't give the rich anything. Do you understand the concept of earning your own money and thus having it taken by the govt? I worry about people like you. No matter how many times it is explained to you, you come back with the same argument over and over again.

    There are no tax cuts, there is an extension of the current tax rates or a tax hike. Obama extended the Bush tax cuts saying it was good for the country. You now saying that President you worshipped is wrong?

    As for Medicare and Social Security, they are funded separately and have no business ON budget. Education is a state responsibility so why is the a line item for Education? You just found 125 billion to cut, good job, keep going.
    the parasitic dems think that all wealth belongs to the government first. that's how they can utter such tripe



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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Yes, the Repubicans have certainly shown us they have no real concern for the deficit. Hypocrites!
    lets talk about hypocrisy

    the dems whined that the Bush tax cuts were FOR THE RICH

    yet SHam Wow and other dems wanted to continue the NON EXISTENT tax cuts for the MIddle Class because those non existent tax cuts were good.



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