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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    No, but when you vote 98 percent in lock step purely on the basis of race and handouts, it certainly brings into question the theory that all votes are equal.

    Right wing Christians seem to have the same habit of voting in unison.

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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's why the welfare class shouldn't be allowed to vote.
    Nice class warfare.

    How about the wealthy not being allowed to vote because they have enough influence by buying the politician's ear?

    Yep, that sounds stupid too.
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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    profit = revenue - expenses. right?
    Sure it does. However, profit and taxable income aren't always the same figure.

    An example of what I'm talking about: I pay around $4,000 a month in equipment notes. None of that, except the interest, is deductable. That $4,000 a month, minus a few hundred in interest, is taxed and it's money that I no longer have in my account.

    Again, the taxable amount and the bank balance aren't the same thing.
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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    The lack of demand is what limits growth. If you don't need to produce more widgets, you won't hire more people.
    If you don't have more people working to buy your widgets, there's no need to hire more people to make more widgets.

    You need confident investors and entreprenuers to jumpstart an economy. Threatening them with tax increases doesn't inspire that confidence.

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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    The lack of demand is what limits growth. If you don't need to produce more widgets, you won't hire more people.
    And, if the government would stop jacking with the widget industry, there would be more demand for widgets, hence boost business for widget producers.
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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Right wing Christians seem to have the same habit of voting in unison.
    Not anywhere approaching 98 percent. Not even close.

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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    It's a lesser of two evils. A government shutdown would be worse.
    And here is where we disagree.

    You want a short term fix that history tells us will just perpetuate the issue we have and most likely have little to no longer term affect as we continue to spend ourselves into oblivion.

    I would rather force the governments hand, even if it means a difficult time in the short term, until they have no choice BUT to deal with the hard issues of cuts.

    I'd rather give my kid no dinner for a few days until he finally realizes that if he wants to eat he's going to have to eat his vegetables instead of bribing him with increasingly larger sweets every few meals which will end up being worse for him in the long run.

    The Government will never stop wasting and abusing our money until they are forced to, and part of that is not giving them anymore. The bull**** guilt game of "its going to cause debt" doesn't work because logic and history dictates if we give them more money...they're STILL going to cause debt because they ALWAYS spend everything they get, if not MORE than what we get. So it comes down to give them more of our money and watch them run a bad deficit or give them less of our money and watch them run a bad deficit. Frankly, I'll take the latter.

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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, if the government would stop jacking with the widget industry, there would be more demand for widgets, hence boost business for widget producers.
    That makes no sense. Government regulation has nothing to do with people wanting or needing widgets.
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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Sure, this is true. The reality is that they won't even come close to cutting that much spending though. Keeping this reality in mind, we have a revenue problem.
    So because the govt. won't stop spending you want to give them more if indeed raising taxes will do that? Again, that is illogical.

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    Re: Obama Announces 'Framework' for Deal With Congress to Extend Bush-Era Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Nice class warfare.

    How about the wealthy not being allowed to vote because they have enough influence by buying the politician's ear?

    Yep, that sounds stupid too.
    Where does personal responsibility lie in your world? If politicians sell their votes why aren't you holding those politicians accountable for that vote? You solve that problem by reducing the power of the Federal Govt. by cutting its size thus its influence. No one is going to spend money on a politician who doesn't have much authority.

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