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Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

Its not the information, its the motivation of the characters.... If siprnet held troop locations. Do you think either of these two dirtbags wOuld have held back?


This is not about "transparency" for traitor manning or assface. It was about retaliation for being scorned and anti-amerucanism. Nothing more or altruistic about it.
 
Anti-Sovietism, the greatest of offenses.

If what Assange did was anti-American, then damn it I'm anti-American too. Want to line him up to a firing post? Line me up too. And millions more.

All this talk about Obama mass graves, and it might actually come true D:
 
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Lets pose a scenario here. Lets say that China does all that is in the link I previously provided and the weapons end up in terrorist hands as posed in that link. Those terrorists decide to use one of those weapons on US soil. Which do you think would be more beneficial to the US? Embarressing China by releaseing that info before the attack or keeping it a secret and people finding out that China were the ones that sold those weapons when they knew it could get into terrorist hands? Which do you think would cause more harm?

Ok, so we out it and embarrass China who in turn cuts off ties with the third party that was supplying us with the information in the first place, and that third party then won't talk to us on anything ever again because they feel that we are untrustworthy with information. Short term gain, long term damage.

Lots of things. More than I can list at the moment. But keeping secrets is definately NOT one of them.

Yeah, cuz secrets are always bad....Come on man.

Sorry, not even going to bother with grendel.

Um...Ok....Why? The article contained was written by this man:

Arnaud de Borchgrave

Appointed Editor-in-Chief for The Washington Times on March 20, 1985, de Borchgrave is currently Editor-at-Large of The Washington Times and United Press International, as well as Project Director for Transnational Threats (TNT) and Senior Advisor for The Center for Strategic and International Studies[4][5] .

Arnaud de Borchgrave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Although I can understand why you wouldn't want to actually read, or rebut anything that so destroys your argument, it is telling.

I have already been honest. Whats your point?

Not quite....you won't consider anything informed that gets in the way of your open society mantra. And when presented with evidence to the contrary you dismiss it, or won't read it...That sir, is just not being honest in debate.

Actually yes I can state so. The 1st amendment applies to everyone. Not just American citizens.

Actually, I don't view our constitution as a global shield, especially when it is only pulled out to protect an enemy from prosecution, and any other time it is dismissed.

The espionage act however since it is not a part of the Constitution but is a US law does not apply outside of the US jurisdiction.

I believe there is precedent that proves your hypothesis wrong, I will search.

And btw, as has already been linked and showed in this thread a news source can be applied to anything that disseminates news.

Let me stop you there...WikiLeaks is not a news source. Never has been, never will be.

In regards to Manning, most definately.

More than just PFC Manning sir.

Over all, yes we do care for those civilians killed. But with things like the following happen you have to wonder sometimes...

War is difficult. I think you have to ask what the motive for releasing this footage is? It certainly is not pure.

j-mac
 
Anti-Sovietism, the greatest of offenses.

If what Assange did was anti-American, then damn it I'm anti-American too. Want to line him up to a firing post? Line me up too. And millions more.

All this talk about Obama mass graves, and it might actually come true D:




Commit espionage, and I'll volunteer to put a bullet in your head myself.... ;)
 
This is an interesting opener you have penned sir, are you, or would you consider yourself, "Pro-Soviet"?


j-mac

I think he was likening Rev's attitude towards Soviet attitudes.
 
Commit espionage, and I'll volunteer to put a bullet in your head myself.... ;)

Why? It doesn't put your life in danger. It just exposes the **** in the white house. I thought that is what everyone wanted. Or did everyone want it on the surface but not expose how deep it really runs?
 
Why? It doesn't put your life in danger. It just exposes the **** in the white house. I thought that is what everyone wanted. Or did everyone want it on the surface but not expose how deep it really runs?


Look, I laid out a hypothetical where this anarchist Assange did severe damage to diplomacy as it is....No one addressed it.....So if you want to be so simplistic as to think that 'ah it's all good to lay bare the entirety of everything, and every alliance in the world' then you go right on with that thinking, and see where it gets you...It would set back diplomacy 100 years I'd bet.


j-mac
 
Look, I laid out a hypothetical where this anarchist Assange did severe damage to diplomacy as it is....No one addressed it.....So if you want to be so simplistic as to think that 'ah it's all good to lay bare the entirety of everything, and every alliance in the world' then you go right on with that thinking, and see where it gets you...It would set back diplomacy 100 years I'd bet.

Then maybe America should review how it conducts diplomacy and where America really stands with their allies. If these leaks continue to happen maybe America can try and actually be honest in terms of diplomatic relations.
And how is he an Anarchist? Anarchy is a political-socio-economical ideology and in no way is an insult.
 
Then maybe America should review how it conducts diplomacy and where America really stands with their allies.

Again, this is a simplistic view that demonstrates that you have NO idea how diplomacy is conducted, or evaluated.

If these leaks continue to happen maybe America can try and actually be honest in terms of diplomatic relations.

Honest? And what do you see as being "honest"? IOW, how far should we go in tipping our hands? And what about other nations? What happens when we lay it all out there and they don't?

And how is he an Anarchist? Anarchy is a political-socio-economical ideology and in no way is an insult.

It's not just me who believes Assange to be an Anarchist, here is PJ Crowley of the State Dept.

Calling him as an "anarchist", the US on Friday accused Julian Paul Assange, the founder and editor-in-chief of WikiLeaks, of trying to undermine the international system and said he cannot be considered as a journalist or a whistleblower.

"He is not a journalist. He is not a whistleblower. He is a political actor. He has a political agenda," State Department spokesman P J Crowley told reporters here.

"He is trying to undermine the international system that enables us to cooperate and collaborate with other governments and to work in multilateral settings and on a bilateral basis to help solve regional and international issues," Crowley said in response to a question.

"What he is doing is damaging to our efforts and the efforts of other governments. They are putting at risk our national interest and the interests of other governments around the world. He is not an objective observer of anything."

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange 'anarchist', not journalist

Or another WSJ article that outlines Assange's goals rather well.

Mr. Assange told Time magazine last week, "It is not our goal to achieve a more transparent society; it's our goal to achieve a more just society." If leaks cause U.S. officials to "lock down internally and to balkanize," they will "cease to be as efficient as they were."

This worldview has precedent. Ted Kaczynski, another math-obsessed anarchist, sent bombs through the mail for almost 20 years, killing three people and injuring 23. He offered to stop in 1995 if media outlets published his Unabomber Manifesto. The 35,000-word essay, "Industrial Society and Its Future," objected to the "industrial-technological system" that causes people "to behave in ways that are increasingly remote from the natural pattern of human behavior." He's serving a life sentence for murder.

Mr. Assange doesn't mail bombs, but his actions have life-threatening consequences. Consider the case of a 75-year-old dentist in Los Angeles, Hossein Vahedi. According to one of the confidential cables released by WikiLeaks, Dr. Vahedi, a U.S. citizen, returned to Iran in 2008 to visit his parents' graves. Authorities confiscated his passport because his sons worked as concert promoters for Persian pop singers in the U.S. who had criticized the theocracy.

The cable reported that Dr. Vahedi decided to escape by horseback over the mountains of western Iran and into Turkey. He trained by hiking the hills above Tehran. He took extra heart medication. But when he fell off his horse, he was injured and nearly froze. When he made it to Turkey, the U.S. Embassy intervened to stop him being sent back to Iran.

"This is very bad for my family," Dr. Vahedi told the New York Daily News on being told about the leak of the cable naming him and describing his exploits. Tehran has a new excuse to target his relatives in Iran. "How could this be printed?"

Excellent question. It's hard being collateral damage in the world of WikiLeaks.


Crovitz: Julian Assange, Information Anarchist - WSJ.com

Look, Assange's own stated goals are NOT openness and transparency, but rather the opposite to bring governments down. If that isn't anarchy I don't know what is.


j-mac
 
Then maybe America should review how it conducts diplomacy and where America really stands with their allies. If these leaks continue to happen maybe America can try and actually be honest in terms of diplomatic relations.

Now that's an idiotic suggestion. I'm impressed at your naiveté.
 
It is a puppet show.

655. Bin Laden and Julian Assange, False flag and living plant (12/7/2010)

On 12/4, I wrote an article "Wiki-Leaks is another false flag" and posted it in APFN. One hour later, I was surprised to find the topic was replied by Julian Assange. I don't think it was Assange himself did it. He is on the run. Most likely it is the work of his handler - the Feds. The purpose is to link me to a would be "criminal". Assange is a living plant like Bin Laden. Here is the topic:


Wiki-Leaks is another false flag ?kathaksung, Sat Dec 4 09:27

* Thats not all, Netanyahu said.... ?Percy, Sat Dec 4 18:52

o Julian Assange answers your questions ?Julian Assange, Sat Dec 4 10:24

APFN - Wiki-Leaks is another false flag

Bin Laden is a living plant.

In 1990, Soviet bloc collapsed. US intelligence turned its resource which used to deal with Soviet bloc to the new target - Mid-east countries which are rich in natural resource. Bin Laden, an asset of the CIA in Afghanistan war(against Russian), was revived in this new project as a false flag - Islamic extremist. He went to Sudan first in 1991.

The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi Arabia .

Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize

Saudi and US didn't take the offer with various excuse because Bin Laden is a living plant they deployed there.

In 1995, Bin Laden tried to set up a connection with Saddam but was refused.

Exhaustive review finds no link between Saddam, al Qaida

A September 2006 report by the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded that Saddam was "distrustful of al Qaida and viewed Islamic extremists as a threat to his regime, refusing all requests from al Qaida to provide material or operational support."

The Senate report, citing an FBI debriefing of a senior Iraqi spy, Faruq Hijazi , said that Saddam turned down a request for assistance by bin Laden which he made at a 1995 meeting in Sudan with an Iraqi operative.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080310/wl_mcclatchy/2875005

Sudan may have felt the danger to accomodate Bin Laden. In May 1996, the Sudanese asked bin Laden to leave. He went to Afghan and stay there until now.

In August 1998, Sudan and Afghanistan were bombed by US missiles.

In 2001, after 911, Afghan, facing US invasion, made an offer but failed.

Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over
* Taliban demand evidence of Bin Laden's guilt

guardian.co.uk, Sunday 14 October 2001 22.19 BST

Remember Osama?

In Bin Laden's recent 20 years, the countries he went or tried to go, have something in common: They all have rich natural resources. Sudan and Iraq have oil. Afghan has rich mine. '

Afghanistan to develop $3 trillion in mining potential
DUBAI | Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:14pm
Afghanistan to develop $3 trillion in mining potential | Reuters

He didn't go to Yemen, Somali or Syria for his "revolution" because they are resource poor countries, not in US interest list. He didn't go to Saudi or Kuwait. Because they are US allies. He only went to Sudan, Afghan, or Iraq (intended to) because these three countries were not controlled by US at that time. As a living plant, he gave US the excuse to activate attack on these three countries. (Even Saddam realized that Bin Laden was a dangerous living plant and rejected him, Iraq at last was invaded with an unexisted WMD)

Julian Assange is another false flag and living plant. The target is not to control natural resource but to control the free speech kindom - the Internet. If you have noticed that in last month, the events come with the Wiki-leaks' third leaking. '

The 19 Senators Who Voted To Censor The Internet
from the free-speech-isn't-free dept

The 19 Senators Who Voted To Censor The Internet | Techdirt

US Government seizure of the internet has begun; DHS takes over 76 websites

Learn more: US Government seizure of the internet has begun; DHS takes over 76 websites

WIKILEAKS will leak 250.000 documents sunday nov 28
Sat Nov 27, 2010

APFN - WIKILEAKS will leak 250.000 documents sunday nov 28

What will be their next step? Feds will upgrade the secret level of the leaking document to their puppet Assange. That will finally justify the legitimate of control of the Internet. When you saw that Wiki-Leaks is moving from this server to that, this web site to other, do you realize all thes sites could be potential victims of the next wave of Internet censorship and seizure? Assange does same thing Bin Laden has done.

I always say that I am the most wanted of the Feds. Though I am always under the surveillance of the Feds, to set up an internet communication with a "criminal" could justify their action and turn an unreasonable search into a reasonable one. On 12/5, (next day that Assange post reply on my article) A working van of "Direct TV" parked at my front door. Technician installed something in my neighbor's house. (we share one roof and the wall) I think that they were installing detective instrument. My neighbor has had a dish satelite antena already.
 
You sure it wasn't a chip just under your skin, and now they can beam you back to the mother ship when ever they want?


j-mac
 
Oh my....Another who fails to understand the world as it is....Welcome young man, just stay close until you learn....


j-mac

How is the world understood from an asshole's viewpoint? I'd rather not stay anywhere close, I have nothing to learn from an intellectual midget.
 
... Because diplomacy is about lying for your country...

Deceit is a useful tool for diplomacy. Diplomacy is an art, and it need not be conducted with full honesty or transparency, partly because it is coercive. If every nation conducted diplomacy will full honesty, it would be difficult to have diplomatic relations favorable for you, perhaps difficult to have relations whatsoever. See the Soviet Union and Nikita Khrushchev for an example of cunning deceit to the United Nations, to Cuba, to the United States. See the United States and the Soviet Union solving the Cuban Missile Crisis.
 
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How is the world understood from an asshole's viewpoint? I'd rather not stay anywhere close, I have nothing to learn from an intellectual midget.



:lamo You are a funny person....You might want to refrain from this type of personal attack in the future. You may do it to someone who doesn't have such a good sense of humor.


j-mac
 
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More like a provocation from the disinformation office of the Pentagon.

WikiLeaks row: China wants Korean reunification, officials confirm

Chinese officials speak after Guardian US embassy cables reveal Beijing is leaning towards acceptance of reunification under Seoul's control

Simon Tisdall guardian.co.uk,
Tuesday 30 November 2010

China supports the "independent and peaceful reunification of the Korean peninsula in the long term" and cannot afford to give the North Korean regime the impression it has a blank cheque to act any way it wants, Chinese officials based in Europe said today.

The officials, who asked not to be identified, spoke after the Guardian reported that senior figures in Beijing, exasperated with North Korea acting like a "spoiled child", had told South Korean counterparts China was leaning towards acceptance of reunification under Seoul's control.

China's moves to distance itself from the North Korean regime were revealed in the latest tranche of leaked US embassy cables obtained by WikiLeaks and published yesterday by the Guardian and four international newspapers.

WikiLeaks row: China wants Korean reunification, officials confirm | World news | The Guardian
 
Julian Assange says WikiLeaks wants to expose China and Russia as much as US

In interview, Assange denies US focus and says WikiLeaks can be force for opening up closed countries like China and Russia

Jo Adetunji guardian.co.uk, Thursday 2 December 2010

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange wanted to expose China's and Russia's secrets as much as those of the US, and believes Hillary Clinton should resign if she ordered diplomats to engage in espionage.



Julian Assange says WikiLeaks wants to expose China and Russia as much as US | World news | guardian.co.uk

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